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Clearly a huge mistake from someone who I think is an excellent referee.

I don't believe this falls into the remit of VAR but I believe it should.

A potential/missed second caution is considered a KMD (Key match decision) and is reviewed on footage by an observer at Step 2 and above, rightly so as it leaves a team a player short. If a straight red (given incorrectly or missed) is reviewable by VAR then surely a second caution should be.
I stand to be corrected if I am wrong but judging on last night I hope I'm not!

Clearly a huge mistake from someone who I think is an excellent referee.

I don't believe this falls into the remit of VAR but I believe it should.

A potential/missed second caution is considered a KMD (Key match decision) and is reviewed on footage by an observer at Step 2 and above, rightly so as it leaves a team a player short. If a straight red (given incorrectly or missed) is reviewable by VAR then surely a second caution should be.
I stand to be corrected if I am wrong but judging on last night I hope I'm not!

I have sympathy with that view, but ultimately VAR is there to correct (my words) 'gross miscarriages of justice'.  A second yellow card isn't the same as straight red.

The reasoning is that there is more leeway on cautions, and that a soft second yellow is no more different than a soft first.  VAR isn't there to review such decisions, only for the limited list of penalties/goals/red cards/mistaken identity.

It's a pragmatic decision, as well as realistic limitation to VAR's involvement.  That doesn't help defend incidents like yesterday, but without it, we could be reviewing far too many decisions in a match.

Turpin reminds me of anthony Taylor, an excellent referee but prone to clueless random decisions that are crucial match changing decisions. This is why I rate Oliver and Letexier better.

Turpin thinks something has happened, guessed, got it wrong and that will be reflected in his assessment. Ironically had he gone straight red, VAR would have suggested an OFR and he then realises his error.

Honeymoon definitely over for Southgate et al

Honeymoon definitely over for Southgate et al

I noticed how classy he was at the final whistle. He approached every single Hungarian player 1 by 1 and shook their hand. Big thing made of it in our national press praising his class and sportsmanship

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A clear shot at me BMB? The behaviour of the English fans is equally appalling and certainly two wrongs do not make a right. Just 2 wrongs

As for Turpin, I have never had trust in him. You always get teh feeling that he is a decision to have a brain explosion and make a poor call. Kuipers, Rosetti Merk Collina and the best of the Elite do not have that trait imho.

A clear shot at me BMB? The behaviour of the English fans is equally appalling and certainly two wrongs do not make a right. Just 2 wrongs

No actually it was a more general observation that so many were so quick to jump up and down and shout how disgraceful ALL Hungarians are, they should be banned for life yadda yadda - several threads across the forum about it, headlines in all the papers about it, pundits yapping on non stop about it, despite it being a minority of the fans that let us down when we play England - it doesn't happen in other games except v Romania which is a whole different kettle of fish & based on centuries of bad blood between the 2 nations. Then you get England v Germany - England fans arrested for doing nazi salutes, England fans thrown out of bars for singing anti German songs, England fans arrested for being drunk and disorderly and fighting, England fans arrested for chanting nazis at any German person they saw - several incidences of utterly disgraceful behaviour and where is the same energy in condemning that? There was none, yet 'but the Hungarians are the real problem'... England fans booing a national anthem and chanting the whole way through, silence yet again - no condemnation for that. England fans & media ironically calling Hungarians racist, yet there are more complaints and arrests for racist behaviour in England in a week than there is in Hungary across a year. One of the classic media headlines after this game England 0 Racists 4 and the picture accompanying it was Loďc Négo leading the celebrations, he's a black man, born in Paris and of Guadeloupean descent who is so 'appalled' by the racism in Hungary that he applied for Hungarian citizenship as soon as he had lived there for 5 years and now proudly represents Hungary at international level - he's absolutely loved in Hungary. No mention in that report of the English fans behaviour. Still I suppose it's ok as it wasn't only our national anthem they disrespected as they also sang 'no surrender' during God save the queen! Yet apparently we are the only ones with a problem!  We do have some appalling individuals in our fanbase, we don't deny that & the sooner the MLSZ grow a pair and ban the Carpathian brigade the better.

The irony of thi is in Australia we do not have separated crowds at any level. There might be sporadic issues but nothing to make an issue of. There was an issue at a Rugby League match where one or two members of the crowd made noises during a Minutes silence at the ANZAC Day match in Brisbane. The culprit and I do not endorse these actions was punched several times by members by fans of both teams. In Australia Anthems and minutes of silence are sacred.