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« on: Wed 17 Jun 2020 14:13 »
... is not in this case a cue for a joke. Perusing the list of German referees in the top three divisions, I noticed that 7 out of 65 held doctorates in various subjects. One, an admirable 3rd Division referee (and physicist), even has the title of Dr. Dr. Justus Zorn, having presumably acquired a second doctorate.

How many Level 1 referees in England hold similar academic qualifications, I wonder, as they modestly refrain from using them when officiating?

Scotland used to claim a number of high-powered (in everyday life) officials, though that has perhaps been less the case of late.
« Last Edit: Wed 17 Jun 2020 14:28 by JCFC »

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« Reply #1 on: Wed 17 Jun 2020 19:28 »
My understanding is that German society holds postgraduate education and particularly those who have attained a Doctorate in very high regard and so the title Doktor or Doctor is always appended to someone's name who holds a Doctorate. In the UK the title is usually only used in the academic environment where the Doctoral knowledge is relevant. I happen to hold a Doctorate myself but as I don't work in academia and the Doctoral work undertook has had no direct influence on my professional life, I don't use the title.
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« Reply #2 on: Wed 17 Jun 2020 19:36 »
Also many top referees now seem  have chosen the refereeing  profession while  being a  student so I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if some of our referees go on to attain Doctorates in Sports Science

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Re: Doctor Doctor
« Reply #3 on: Thu 18 Jun 2020 10:25 »
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Scotland used to claim a number of high-powered (in everyday life) officials, though that has perhaps been less the case of late.

Over the past decade or so I have noticed a significant increase in the number of Church of Scotland ministers who now carry the title Rev Dr.  The cynic in me wonders whether some Scottish (and possibly USA based) universities have had "special offers".  Equally cynically I have failed to notice an upturn in the Church of Scotland's fortunes as a result of all this academic effort, with a very few honourable exceptions.
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« Reply #4 on: Thu 18 Jun 2020 14:04 »
Doctorates used to be awarded for a thesis based  on genuine research which extended the boundaries of knowledge in that particular field . Now there are so many "Professional" Doctorates awarded, it is somewhat easy to believe that they " come up with the rations"
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« Reply #5 on: Fri 19 Jun 2020 14:00 »
I believe that a few years ago the ranks of the Category 1 referees in Scotland included a Professor, no less.  Indeed, I have heard him speak on the radio in his professorial capacity.

I have always found it slightly odd that German referees who are Doctors are given their title, while undoctored referees receive no tokens of respect whatsoever, receiving surname alone without first name, initials or Herr/Frau.  Italian referees are also referred to by surname alone, but reference (and even address) by surname is widespread there.  British referees traditionally got their initials and often Mr (or, where appropriate Dr/Rev./ rank in the armed forces), though first names are now taking over; I still find it vaguely disrespectful when referees are referred to on this forum by surname alone.         French referees get the title M(onsieur), and even in the Soviet Union referees were normally given a more respectful version of their names (first name + patronymic + surname) than mere players, who had to make do with first name + surname or surname alone.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri 19 Jun 2020 15:56 »
Our commentators always refer to our referees by their full name in Hungarian word order so Family name then 1st name. Never noticed how they refer to foreign referees in International/EL/CL games though so will make a point of listening out now.
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