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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #15 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 15:49 »
And here we are on another thread talking about Coote as a strong contender for the Carabao Cup Final. Bizarre, baffling and, quite frankly, a poor reflection on those who seem to feel Coote is up to the job. He isn’t. Simple.
I was one that mentioned his name for the Carabao cup final, most def not on performances but on what i expect from the appointments people of the powers that be.
Similarly i mentioned Mr Scott too, on the same basis as Coote.

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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #16 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 15:52 »
Liverpool got what they deserved in my view.  I reckon if you showed that replay of the Fabinho foul to competent referees like Taylor and Oliver, they would say Red Card every day. I once saw Rooney sent off at OT for a similar tackle from behind and the referee was 100% right to send him off.

The only question I would raise is did Coote have a good angle to see just how bad a challenge it was? (and I'm not making excuses for him).  When VAR was reviewing it, what comment did Coote offer as to what he'd seen?  If there was any doubt in Coote's mind and VAR did not advise an OFR for a clear and obvious error, then I'm afraid it raises questions for Webb as well as the VAR.  Is he making VARs so reluctant to intervene that wretched fouls like that are not being adequately punished?  It's not just a question of did a referee see an incident; it's did he see it clearly enough to make the right decision?

The Robertson challenge wasn't clever either but YC was probably ok.  Incidentally, it looked to me as if Fabinho expected to be sent off.

Of course he did. He'd probably make a better referee than Coote, as would many people. A man whose various posts working for one County FA or another have coincided with undeserved promotions.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #17 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 15:57 »
Being fair, Coote was fine despite those 2 errors. It's not good however that this is the best I've seen him since the resumption.

If he gets the Carabao Cup Final, it shows that those in power really need a good shaking to bring them to the reality he isn't good enough.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #18 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 16:19 »
Also, I will add, I've seen some comments on here which I think are vile. Saying Coote doesn't have the credentials to be a referee is totally unfair. He's worked his way up the ladder and whether or not he should be at SG1 level is another question, but questioning his credentials entirely is disgusting. Questioning a decision is fair enough, to those calling him unfit to be a referee, I'd suggest you think about those remarks.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #19 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 16:31 »
All I will say is Liverpool were very lucky to finish with 11 players and justice was served in the end.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #20 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 16:32 »
There must be some sub text other than talent which accounts for Coote's promotion.

I can answer that quite simply. He relocated north to become RDO of Manchester FA which got him onto the FL list. And left when he got on the PL list
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #21 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 16:36 »
Cannot comment on Coote's overall handling of the game. But 2 KMI's both of which I think he judged incorrectly. The Konate one, maybe give him the benefit of the doubt, a clear 2nd yellow of course but not sure a clear and obvious error for VAR to get involved

The tackle by Fabinho is horrendous, and gets worse every time you see it. I mentioned it on the Darren England post yesterday, the judgement of SFP by PL referees is poor. Coote should call it in real time, but for VAR to not intervene is quite frankly a joke. Does a player have to get their leg broken for a red card to be issued?

Coote is at best a FL referee. His cushy FA job got him to where he is, and he isn't the first or the last to benefit from that.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #22 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 16:40 »
Also, I will add, I've seen some comments on here which I think are vile. Saying Coote doesn't have the credentials to be a referee is totally unfair. He's worked his way up the ladder and whether or not he should be at SG1 level is another question, but questioning his credentials entirely is disgusting. Questioning a decision is fair enough, to those calling him unfit to be a referee, I'd suggest you think about those remarks.

I've followed your suggestions and thought about it. I certainly wouldn't say he is unfit to be a referee, but I would say that he lacks the quality I would expect from someone who does it for a living, let alone someone right at the elite peak of his profession. He's worked his way up the ladder for sure but as others have alluded to, someone has been holding that ladder steady for him.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #23 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 17:38 »
As soon as I saw this thread I thought 'oh no' not another 'Coote bashing' and sure enough it has been apart from one posting? - I presume that everyone complaining thinks they can do better or could have done better when they were referees if indeed they were/are - surely if he is that bad he would be removed from the list but he  has not - so is it always necessary to always be so negative all the time
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #24 on: Sun 29 Jan 2023 18:17 »
As soon as I saw this thread I thought 'oh no' not another 'Coote bashing' and sure enough it has been apart from one posting? - I presume that everyone complaining thinks they can do better or could have done better when they were referees if indeed they were/are - surely if he is that bad he would be removed from the list but he  has not - so is it always necessary to always be so negative all the time

Of course I couldn't do better which is why I wouldn't expect to receive the very substantial remuneration which SG1 referees receive for refereeing. However not attaining a certain level does not mean that I cannot offer proper and informed criticism of those who have.

If I see that which merits praise I give it in good measure also, as I did with Carl Brook yesterday.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #25 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 10:09 »
As soon as I saw this thread I thought 'oh no' not another 'Coote bashing' and sure enough it has been apart from one posting? - I presume that everyone complaining thinks they can do better or could have done better when they were referees if indeed they were/are - surely if he is that bad he would be removed from the list but he  has not - so is it always necessary to always be so negative all the time


cwh raises an interesting and important point in writing " surely if he is that bad he would be removed from the list but he has not ".  My conviction is that Coote is not up to what one might reasonably expect to be SG1 standard but indeed he is still there and getting quite prestigious appointments from time to time though it should be noted he was asked to relinquish his FIFA badge and has done so. I have little doubt that he will be rewarded with a Cup Final sometime .

What is the explanation? Possibly the powers that be do consider him to be of SG1 standard. With Riley in charge I could see that because Coote is a referee in the Riley mould. With Webb we shall wait and see. Or perhaps there are not enough promising referees coming up through the ranks to fill the SG1 and so some of the 'lesser' practitioners retain their places. Whether Coote's employment with various County FAs has any relevance is perhaps an explanation but can only be informed speculation. Certainly, there has been an 'old pals network' running in the FA Referees Department for years and years but whether Coote is a beneficiary of that I have no way of knowing.

I think Coote is a perfectly reasonable FL referee but no more than that but like most of us here on RTR, our opinion counts for diddly squat in the real world of referee promotions and retentions.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #26 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 13:56 »
As soon as I saw this thread I thought 'oh no' not another 'Coote bashing' and sure enough it has been apart from one posting? - I presume that everyone complaining thinks they can do better or could have done better when they were referees if indeed they were/are - surely if he is that bad he would be removed from the list but he  has not - so is it always necessary to always be so negative all the time

Although I never reached anywhere near the dizzy heights of the EFL, I like to think I'd take appropriate firmer action in response to a deliberate stiff arm shove into the neck of an opponent causing him to go sprawling and require lengthy treatment and a player scraping his studs down an opponent's Achilles Tendon area of the heel, which Mr. Coote failed to do in both cases. An SG1 Referee should do better than take no action at all in the first instance and only issue a caution in the second.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #27 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 17:24 »
As soon as I saw this thread I thought 'oh no' not another 'Coote bashing' and sure enough it has been apart from one posting? - I presume that everyone complaining thinks they can do better or could have done better when they were referees if indeed they were/are - surely if he is that bad he would be removed from the list but he  has not - so is it always necessary to always be so negative all the time


cwh raises an interesting and important point in writing " surely if he is that bad he would be removed from the list but he has not ".  My conviction is that Coote is not up to what one might reasonably expect to be SG1 standard but indeed he is still there and getting quite prestigious appointments from time to time though it should be noted he was asked to relinquish his FIFA badge and has done so. I have little doubt that he will be rewarded with a Cup Final sometime .

What is the explanation? Possibly the powers that be do consider him to be of SG1 standard. With Riley in charge I could see that because Coote is a referee in the Riley mould. With Webb we shall wait and see. Or perhaps there are not enough promising referees coming up through the ranks to fill the SG1 and so some of the 'lesser' practitioners retain their places. Whether Coote's employment with various County FAs has any relevance is perhaps an explanation but can only be informed speculation. Certainly, there has been an 'old pals network' running in the FA Referees Department for years and years but whether Coote is a beneficiary of that I have no way of knowing.

I think Coote is a perfectly reasonable FL referee but no more than that but like most of us here on RTR, our opinion counts for diddly squat in the real world of referee promotions and retentions.


It is easy for anyone (including us) to say that so-and-so is not up to SG1 standard and should be removed.  But anyone removed will need to be replaced (indeed, given the need to fill 4O and VAR duties there is a strong argument for a larger SG1 list) and replacements will need to be willing and capable to step up. 

Some of the capable are not willing and many of the willing are not capable.

This is why the SG1 list is not as stuffed with as much quality as it needs - and has had in the past.
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Re: David Coote- Brighton vs Liverpool
« Reply #28 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 17:52 »
It is easy for anyone (including us) to say that so-and-so is not up to SG1 standard and should be removed.  But anyone removed will need to be replaced (indeed, given the need to fill 4O and VAR duties there is a strong argument for a larger SG1 list) and replacements will need to be willing and capable to step up. 

Some of the capable are not willing and many of the willing are not capable.

This is why the SG1 list is not as stuffed with as much quality as it needs - and has had in the past.


There's also the small matter of employment/contract law. We don't know the get out clauses, if any, in his contract (and nor should we).
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