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Statement on a backdated suspension for Drysdale

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An independent Regulatory Commission has given Darren Drysdale a back-dated suspension and warning as to his future conduct for a breach of FA Rule E3.
The match official admitted that his behaviour during the 90th minute of an EFL League One tie between Ipswich Town FC and Northampton Town FC on Tuesday 16 February 2021 amounted to improper conduct.
The suspension, which ran from 19 February 2021 to 10 March 2021, and warning were imposed by the independent Regulatory Commission during a subsequent hearing and its written reasons are available below.


Written Reasons: Here’s the link as it’s a 10 page document https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/discipline-cases/2021/the-fa-v-darren-drysdale---8-march-2021.ashx


from:  https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/mar/11/darren-drysdale-written-reasons-published-110321

Why on earth was Judge not sent off,that sort of language should not be tolerated,the yellow card was for simulation

 Well said by the  above posters. Let's hope Darren Drysdale is back next weekend.

Quote from: Leggy on Thu 11 Mar 2021 19:09

Quote from: Referee99 on Thu 11 Mar 2021 18:07

Statement on a backdated suspension for Drysdale

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An independent Regulatory Commission has given Darren Drysdale a back-dated suspension and warning as to his future conduct for a breach of FA Rule E3.
The match official admitted that his behaviour during the 90th minute of an EFL League One tie between Ipswich Town FC and Northampton Town FC on Tuesday 16 February 2021 amounted to improper conduct.
The suspension, which ran from 19 February 2021 to 10 March 2021, and warning were imposed by the independent Regulatory Commission during a subsequent hearing and its written reasons are available below.


Written Reasons: Here’s the link as it’s a 10 page document https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/discipline-cases/2021/the-fa-v-darren-drysdale---8-march-2021.ashx


from:  https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/mar/11/darren-drysdale-written-reasons-published-110321

The written reasons are well worth a read.  They are astonishing for two reasons:

1. The words used by Alan Judge.  If that does not warrant a red card for OFFINABUS then nothing does.
2. The FA's role in the case is amateurish - and that is being kind.

Darren Drysdale should not have done what he did, but if our referees have been so emaciated that they simply cannot issue a red card for such direct, personal and virulent abuse then the only surprise is that this has not happened sooner, and more often.

 I wonder if your point two has anything to do with Stuart Ripley is a former player  ?  Just a thought.

Not at all, it was more about their approach to gathering evidence - Alan Judge was not called to the hearing and his desire "not to be involved" was respected.  If only referees were permitted the same opportunities when hearings involved players.  In addition, the commission could not determine if Darren Drysdale had been suspended or not because no-one at PGMOL could tell them. 

Can I ask a question of those who might have knowledge about officiating at a level similar to Darren Drysdale. Is that kind of language expected to be tolerated by officials? This is a genuine question, in my sport I have no doubt that a straight red card would be issued. I understand in law that it is most certainly a red card but I am just wondering as to what is the level of expectation by the powers that be with regard to that type of language.

I am expecting that due to the lack of red cards we see issued for verbals, the expectation is that referees should just shut up and put up. I would have thought though that what Mr. Judge said was over the line even by what I expect are lenient standards, but I would be curious to know.

Outside looking in, Clearly it is tolerated otherwise referees wouldn’t put up with it!

Can I ask a question of those who might have knowledge about officiating at a level similar to Darren Drysdale. Is that kind of language expected to be tolerated by officials? This is a genuine question, in my sport I have no doubt that a straight red card would be issued. I understand in law that it is most certainly a red card but I am just wondering as to what is the level of expectation by the powers that be with regard to that type of language.

I am expecting that due to the lack of red cards we see issued for verbals, the expectation is that referees should just shut up and put up. I would have thought though that what Mr. Judge said was over the line even by what I expect are lenient standards, but I would be curious to know.

Wouldn't say it is expected, but yes as you go through the refereeing levels there is almost a conditioning process that you are expected to ignore offensive language.  Not so much dissent as you still see cautions for that, but rather language that would see red cards issued at grass roots routinely go unpunished at L4/L3 and above.

That said, even when I was L3 he would be right on the tightrope for that first comment, almost certainly on the wrong side of it.  Had he remained on though, the second comment would 100% have seen him falling to the floor.  Opposite to normal society, but as a referee I would deem the second C word worse than the first.  I actually hope that the press get hold of this and use it as an example of what referees are expected to put up with.

Well, just about the best outcome Drysdale could have expected or hoped for.

What a charming piece of work Alan Judge has shown himself to be.

I hope that as a result of this there will be some campaign which focuses on the frankly appalling abuse match officials sometimes  endure and instructs them to eradicate it by the sanctions available to them. How on earth can referees at grass roots level hope to avoid having vile comments directed at them when at the highest levels of the game nothing is done to stop it. This is a timely wake up call for proper action to be taken and any weasel pleading of "industrial language" etc firmly rejected.

I'd also say the Ipswich club secretary doesn't seem to be too fit for purpose either.

Can I ask a question of those who might have knowledge about officiating at a level similar to Darren Drysdale. Is that kind of language expected to be tolerated by officials? This is a genuine question, in my sport I have no doubt that a straight red card would be issued. I understand in law that it is most certainly a red card but I am just wondering as to what is the level of expectation by the powers that be with regard to that type of language.

I am expecting that due to the lack of red cards we see issued for verbals, the expectation is that referees should just shut up and put up. I would have thought though that what Mr. Judge said was over the line even by what I expect are lenient standards, but I would be curious to know.

Seems to be the case in England.

Hungary he'd have been off & had a 5 match ban for that.  We are not yet tainted by TV money though so matches are played, fouls are penalised, players get booked for dissent, reds for OFFINABUS, diving gets penalised etc. Oh and our Federation doesn't tolerate abuse towards the refs.  1 manager last weekend lost it over a wrong offside call, got a YC, lost it even more, got a 2nd yellow and starts his 5 match ban from the technical area this weekend.