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robbieg

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Daft question I know but..............
« on: Tue 15 Jun 2021 21:35 »
 Coming from a mere fan please can someone explain this to me regarding two disallowed goals this evening in the Euro games............

 On both occasions a goal has been " scored" then disallowed due to offside.

 Watching both games and replays I have no problem with the goals being disallowed but what I cannot get is that on both occasions play has been allowed to continue until the ball hits the net then the AR raises his flag.

 I always thought as soon as the offending player made the first touch of the ball then the flag goes up but it seems strange [AND PLEASE FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE] that play has continued long after the offender has taken control of the ball,the goal " scored" and then the flag raised.

I am sure there is a perfectly reasonable explanation and in no way am I being critical [ I think from what I have seen the refereeing has been superb so far] but it is bugging me so I would be ever so grateful if someone can educate me.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Daft question I know but..............
« Reply #1 on: Tue 15 Jun 2021 21:40 »
Not a daft question at all!  :)

Assistant Referees are now instructed to allow play to continue until the ball enters the goal before raising the flag, which allows VAR to check the decision before agreeing/disagreeing with the outcome. If the Assistant Referee were to signal before the ball entered the goal, then it would take the VAR check out of the equation, as play would then be stopped and the initial free kick for offside would be awarded.

It's just really there to prevent the potential for an onside goal being disallowed incorrectly.

Hope that makes sense!

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Re: Daft question I know but..............
« Reply #2 on: Tue 15 Jun 2021 21:59 »
Have you not watched the Premier League for the past two seasons?  Assistants are told to keep their flag down until the attack breaks down, that way if the offside is wrong it doesn't incorrectly deny a goal.

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Re: Daft question I know but..............
« Reply #3 on: Tue 15 Jun 2021 22:29 »
I have another daft question! With the officials being ‘mics up’ How come thd Assistants are not deafened when the referee blows their whistle?
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Re: Daft question I know but..............
« Reply #4 on: Tue 15 Jun 2021 22:38 »
Have you not watched the Premier League for the past two seasons?  Assistants are told to keep their flag down until the attack breaks down, that way if the offside is wrong it doesn't incorrectly deny a goal.


Being given a lifetime punishment of supporting Sunderland AFC I am afraid as a mere underling the Premier League at present holds little interest to me at all and of the odd occasions I have watched MOTD or whatever I cannot remember a goal being disallowed for the reasons I have queried.I  have to live with the fact that good and honest Gentlemen and Ladies who have probably been at their work anything up to twenty four hours earlier before travelling to wherever we are playing make on the spot decisions based on what they have [ or think they have] seen.
 Sometimes they are right and sometimes they make a total rick of things so sadly from the standard I watch and given the same circumstances either the AR would raise his flag as soon as the player takes control of the ball or it just gets let go and rightly or wrongly the goal is allowed. Hence why I titled the thread the way that I did.

 Football wasn't formed in 1992 and it goes a lot deeper than the Premier League but thank you for your response.
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Re: Daft question I know but..............
« Reply #5 on: Tue 15 Jun 2021 22:50 »
Have you not watched the Premier League for the past two seasons?  Assistants are told to keep their flag down until the attack breaks down, that way if the offside is wrong it doesn't incorrectly deny a goal.


Being given a lifetime punishment of supporting Sunderland AFC I am afraid as a mere underling the Premier League at present holds little interest to me at all and of the odd occasions I have watched MOTD or whatever I cannot remember a goal being disallowed for the reasons I have queried.I  have to live with the fact that good and honest Gentlemen and Ladies who have probably been at their work anything up to twenty four hours earlier before travelling to wherever we are playing make on the spot decisions based on what they have [ or think they have] seen.
 Sometimes they are right and sometimes they make a total rick of things so sadly from the standard I watch and given the same circumstances either the AR would raise his flag as soon as the player takes control of the ball or it just gets let go and rightly or wrongly the goal is allowed. Hence why I titled the thread the way that I did.

 Football wasn't formed in 1992 and it goes a lot deeper than the Premier League but thank you for your response.

robbieg --just to simplify things for those of us who watch football away from the 'elite levels'.
Football at the 'elite levels' exists with a totally different interpretation of The Laws of the Game in the quest to achieve a game of football that will always be 100% correct.
Just be grateful that you can watch a game at the Stadium of Light with teams giving it what they have got and  team of officials who may not be the best, however, they will be doing their best not to spoil the game and will give their decisions instantly from what they see and the game will continue regardlless. 
Referee's decision used to be final!
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Re: Daft question I know but..............
« Reply #6 on: Wed 16 Jun 2021 02:09 »
I have another daft question! With the officials being ‘mics up’ How come thd Assistants are not deafened when the referee blows their whistle?

Not a daft question at all, the comm sets that the officials use are built and designed with this in mind, and will often either automatically lower the volume, or filter any noises over a certain decibel level. This is useful for not only the whistle, but to also ensure the officials can hear clearly over particularly loud crowd noises.
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Re: Daft question I know but..............
« Reply #7 on: Wed 16 Jun 2021 08:13 »
Thank you, ACTref!
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