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TheThingFromLewes

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D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 21:38 »
Here we go again.... VAR rules the roost!!

I’m not convinced that foul was inside the box for the foul by March but Big Brother overlooking says otherwise!

Clear and obvious? Dear oh dear.
« Last Edit: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:06 by TheThingFromLewes »

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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #1 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 21:40 »
Here we go again.... VAR rules the roost!!

I’m not convinced that foul was inside the box for the foul by March but big brother overlooking says otherwise!

Clear and obvious? Dear oh dear.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think clear and obvious applies in this scenario. IMO it is a penalty, I don't think its clearly and obviously inside but my understanding was for inside/outside clear and obvious criteria do not apply?
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #2 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 21:44 »
Another VAR howler.........I  despair

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« Reply #3 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 21:48 »
Great call by Coote giving the free-kick, then what does Peter Bankes on VAR do?!  Spends over 2 minutes, yes really that long, looking at over 15 replays only to make ultimately the wrong call!!!  The foul did not continue into the box and thus cannot be a penalty for that.  The actual contact was outside, and so where is the clear and obvious mistake?

An absolute disgrace of a decision.  Nobody would have argued with the free-kick, nobody.  Instead Bankes has dug himself a big hole, and not for the first time this season either.  How can he view that so many times and think it was a clear error by Coote??  I just give up....
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« Reply #4 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 21:58 »
Clear & Obvious doesnt apply to a factual decision.

Now whether VAR could determine 100% it was inside is another matter, unless he had more views than we  got on TV.
On what I have seen it shouldnt be given
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #5 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:03 »
Here we go again.... VAR rules the roost!!

I’m not convinced that foul was inside the box for the foul by March but big brother overlooking says otherwise!

Clear and obvious? Dear oh dear.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think clear and obvious applies in this scenario. IMO it is a penalty, I don't think its clearly and obviously inside but my understanding was for inside/outside clear and obvious criteria do not apply?

I suspect you are right DublinRef.  Inside or outside the box would be regarded as factual, like offside, not a subjective decision where clear and obvious would apply.

Perhaps VAR's view was that even if the initial contact was outside, the foul continued inside.  It looked as if that might be the case.
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #6 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:07 »
Clear and obvious doesn't apply to whether it is inside or outside.

The problem here is what offence was it given for.  I think Coote gives it for the initial contact outside of the area, and in that case a free kick would have been correct.  But VAR appear to have given it for the subsequent clash of legs that happened inside the area, which means VAR wasn't looking at the decision the referee made.  On that basis there is an argument to say the referee should have gone to look at the screen, having been told that the secondary contact but not the primary contact was inside the area.

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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #7 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:09 »
Here we go again.... VAR rules the roost!!

I’m not convinced that foul was inside the box for the foul by March but big brother overlooking says otherwise!

Clear and obvious? Dear oh dear.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think clear and obvious applies in this scenario. IMO it is a penalty, I don't think its clearly and obviously inside but my understanding was for inside/outside clear and obvious criteria do not apply?

I suspect you are right DublinRef.  Inside or outside the box would be regarded as factual, like offside, not a subjective decision where clear and obvious would apply.

Perhaps VAR's view was that even if the initial contact was outside, the foul continued inside.  It looked as if that might be the case.

But if that was the case then Coote should have been asked to look again as it no longer was a factual decision.
Never in a million years was it a foul in the box
Another incompetent display by VAR in my view.
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #8 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:09 »
Great call by Coote giving the free-kick, then what does Peter Bankes on VAR do?!  Spends over 2 minutes, yes really that long, looking at over 15 replays only to make ultimately the wrong call!!!  The foul did not continue into the box and thus cannot be a penalty for that.  The actual contact was outside, and so where is the clear and obvious mistake?

An absolute disgrace of a decision.  Nobody would have argued with the free-kick, nobody.  Instead Bankes has dug himself a big hole, and not for the first time this season either.  How can he view that so many times and think it was a clear error by Coote??  I just give up....

I wonder if we will hear from PGMOL on this....

Pigs might fly.

This is exactly why VAR is being castrated at the moment not helped with the total incompetence of the VAR officials. Bankes has just totally stitched up Coote here.
« Last Edit: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:10 by TheThingFromLewes »
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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #9 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:11 »
Great call by Coote giving the free-kick, then what does Peter Bankes on VAR do?!  Spends over 2 minutes, yes really that long, looking at over 15 replays only to make ultimately the wrong call!!!  The foul did not continue into the box and thus cannot be a penalty for that.  The actual contact was outside, and so where is the clear and obvious mistake?

An absolute disgrace of a decision.  Nobody would have argued with the free-kick, nobody.  Instead Bankes has dug himself a big hole, and not for the first time this season either.  How can he view that so many times and think it was a clear error by Coote??  I just give up....
I'm with you completely here.  The free kick looked right, it didn't look to be inside.  There was certainly no evidence that a penalty was the correct decision.  I can see why VAR would want to have a look, but even after seeing every angle there was no reason for Bankes to overturn the decision.  Perhaps Coote should have had a look at the monitor to see if he felt he was right or wrong. 

This just smacks of yet another example of the VAR operators interfering and making things worse.  The more they tinker at the edges, the worse it gets.  It's not VAR, it's those trying to use it.  The game's credibility takes yet another battering.

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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #10 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:19 »
Thanks Ref Fan and rustyref for the clarification on whether clear and obvious applies.

Regardless of the correctness of the decision I feel bad for David Coote, he's courted a lot of controversy lately (much of it of his own doing) but I don't think he can be blamed here. Just adds to the "more controversy from Coote" narrative.

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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #11 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 22:21 »
If mr coote has blown his whistle for a free kick outside the box, ie the first offence as he sees it, then he should have looked at the monitor himself. If he has indeed blown for the initial offence then play has stopped and
Therefore surely var cant give a penalty as play has stopped.
Again without being able to hear what the on field ref and the var have said to each other we will be non the wiser.
Personally i thought the foul outside the area given by mr coote was correct, but from the tv replays i couldnt
See whether any offence took place in the area or hear when the whistle was blown.

Think brighton may well have been unlucky with var on this occasion.

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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #12 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 23:04 »
I agree with you completely TTFL, I feared for David Coote as soon as i saw the appointments as he under the watchful eye of Mr Bankes once again and once again i was right to be fearful as he has stitched David Coote up two games in a row when he has made fantastic decisions on the field of play. 

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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #13 on: Tue 08 Dec 2020 00:29 »
PGMOL have even surprised me with a statement...

They’ve said the video review area was not required due to the decision being a factual one.

A bland, boring and frankly odious response to a decision.

I look forward to hearing what Hackett thinks of it....


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Re: D COOTE - Brighton v Soton
« Reply #14 on: Tue 08 Dec 2020 00:40 »
Coote's overall handling on the game was very good and I'm not his biggest fan.