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Author Topic: Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones  (Read 1194 times)

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Crystal Palace v Manchester United Robert Jones
« on: Wed 18 Jan 2023 20:48 »
Barely noticed him. Has had nothing to do at all except a few simple fouls which were all correct 😃

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Yes he hadn’t had anything to do but he did well to diffuse the Anthony and Mitchell dust up in the first half seems to be enjoying himself I think the run of games he’s had in the last week or 2 has given more confidence with each passing match
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Watching in Oz having breakfast before work, the only negative so far for Rob is the Optus Sport commentator keeps calling him John Brooks!
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No blame attached for the penalty shout for the foul on mctominay no way could Rob Jones tell that he hadn’t touched the ball as the way the contact was made it looked like the palace player had played the ball VAR correct not to overrule Jones or send him to the monitor as it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake
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Much better than the weekend from Jones. No issues and can go home very happy!
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I think it is a penalty and it borders on clear and obvious as the referee can’t see it properly. I’m surprised Neil Swarbrick hasn’t called Jones to the monitor.
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Wasn't sure on first look at full speed, but from the replay I did think it should have been a penalty.  However, if the bar for clear and obvious is as high as some have suggested, then no real surprise that VAR didn't advise an OFR. 

United had a lucky decision on Saturday against City so they can't really complain about not getting one tonight.  And based on their abysmal second half performance they didn't deserve to win anyway.

I thought Jones was fine.
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I think it is a penalty and it borders on clear and obvious as the referee can’t see it properly. I’m surprised Neil Swarbrick hasn’t called Jones to the monitor.

Same thing happened to Haaland on Saturday towards the end of the Derby. Almost identical actually but no Var review. At least we have consistency. They seem to not see it as clear and obvious if the attacker kicks the back of the defender which causes the trip.

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I think it is a penalty and it borders on clear and obvious as the referee can’t see it properly. I’m surprised Neil Swarbrick hasn’t called Jones to the monitor.

Same thing happened to Haaland on Saturday towards the end of the Derby. Almost identical actually but no Var review. At least we have consistency. They seem to not see it as clear and obvious if the attacker kicks the back of the defender which causes the trip.

Last night that's not what happened because the attacker didn't kick the defender's leg as in the Haaland incident. Last night the defender tried to put a tackle in and played the man not the ball tereby tripping up the player.

The only issue is whether the defender played the ball and the tv replays clearly showed he didn't.

 So we must have the referee thought the defender played the ball so gives no penalty. VAR deems it to not be a clear and obvious error. Surely on that reckoning if the player did play the ball but the referee didn't think so and gives a penalty then presumably VAR would not overturn the decision as it is not clear and obvious error. It can't be a clear and obvious error in one scenario and not a clear and obvious error in exactly the reverse situation. 

None of the tv replays showed the referee's positioning to see what view he had of the incident. As a further point where is the input from the near side AR as he would have had a perfect view looking across the field to see who played the ball (and if not what was he looking at?).

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I think it is a penalty and it borders on clear and obvious as the referee can’t see it properly. I’m surprised Neil Swarbrick hasn’t called Jones to the monitor.

Same thing happened to Haaland on Saturday towards the end of the Derby. Almost identical actually but no Var review. At least we have consistency. They seem to not see it as clear and obvious if the attacker kicks the back of the defender which causes the trip.

It can’t be a clear and obvious error in one scenario and not a clear and obvious error in exactly the reverse situation. 

Yes it can. Football isn’t black and white and two opposite decisions can both be not wrong.

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As a further point where is the input from the near side AR as he would have had a perfect view looking across the field to see who played the ball (and if not what was he looking at?).

Offsides are their primary role and function. They will have been inline with the last defender watching for offsides so may have been looking at what they should have been and therefore no view of the incident.
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Somebody picked up on Swarbrick being VAR?! It seems that Webb tried to rehabilitate the (former??) VAR leader with an active role in the VOR. Interesting move...

Nobody really cares about "high bar" blah blah blah. They just want interventions for clear penalties - like last night's. Former players (eg. Redknapp and Murray) know more about (real) refereeing than our own officials!! :D
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I noticed that Swarbrick was the VAR.
I also thought it was strange as I don't recall him being VAR much before, if at all. Not that I have previously paid a great deal of attention to VAR appointments.

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It was a clear penalty but Jones was not in, and made no tangible effort to get himself into, the right position. This is why many penalty decisions aren’t given on field.
Saw it with Bramall as well last night, another clear penalty refused. He was also Jogging through the game a lot
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I think Swarbrick has had three VAR appointments since New Year so presumably is now considered a regular VAR again, much like Dean and Mason.

It seems Webb wants the threshold for VAR intervention set reasonably high but the challenge was always going to come when more errors started being made on-field, so we'll have to monitor how well VAR does with intervening where necessary going forwards when these occur.
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