Author Topic: Chris Kavanagh (Read 2546 times)

TheThingFromLewes · « **Reply #15 on:** Mon 03 Dec 2018 19:29 »

Quote from: greeny on Mon 03 Dec 2018 18:05

Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 03 Dec 2018 17:58
Martin Atkinson must have got Liverpool V Man Utd quite quickly - the one where he sent off Paul Scholes.

His 40th match according to Soccerbase. It'll be interesting to see how quickly Kavanagh gets his next 'big' match.

It's interesting that Tierney hasn't received a plum game in his tenure yet reached FIFA before Kavanagh presumably will.

I don't recall Attwell having a big derby game, aside from the infamous Derby v Forest game where he made a right dogs dinner of it.

Hendo · « **Reply #16 on:** Mon 03 Dec 2018 22:54 »

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 03 Dec 2018 19:29

Quote from: greeny on Mon 03 Dec 2018 18:05
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 03 Dec 2018 17:58
Martin Atkinson must have got Liverpool V Man Utd quite quickly - the one where he sent off Paul Scholes.

His 40th match according to Soccerbase. It'll be interesting to see how quickly Kavanagh gets his next 'big' match.

It's interesting that Tierney hasn't received a plum game in his tenure yet reached FIFA before Kavanagh

presumably will.

Interesting as I was just thinking the same thing.
Can anyone tell me how many games it was before Lee Mason or Roger East got the Manchester, Merseyside or North London derbies? 😂

I don't recall Attwell having a big derby game, aside from the infamous Derby v Forest game where he made a right dogs dinner of it.

bmb · « **Reply #17 on:** Mon 03 Dec 2018 23:09 »

Quote from: Hendo on Mon 03 Dec 2018 22:54

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 03 Dec 2018 19:29
Quote from: greeny on Mon 03 Dec 2018 18:05
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 03 Dec 2018 17:58
Martin Atkinson must have got Liverpool V Man Utd quite quickly - the one where he sent off Paul Scholes.

His 40th match according to Soccerbase. It'll be interesting to see how quickly Kavanagh gets his next 'big' match.

It's interesting that Tierney hasn't received a plum game in his tenure yet reached FIFA before Kavanagh

presumably will.

Interesting as I was just thinking the same thing.
Can anyone tell me how many games it was before Lee Mason or Roger East got the Manchester, Merseyside or North London derbies? 😂

I don't recall Attwell having a big derby game, aside from the infamous Derby v Forest game where he made a right dogs dinner of it.

Have always thought that unfair on him - it was his AR that messed up big time. I know as ref the buck stops with him but the reality is the big error wasn't actually his & should not still be following him around imo. Slate the person who got it wrong, not the poor guy who has to take the blame as he had the whistle not the flag!

dave26 · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue 04 Dec 2018 00:32 »

Thanks to all previous posters regarding the stats delighted for Kavanagh and hope he gets another big game before the end of the season

Whistleblower · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue 04 Dec 2018 09:22 »

As to bmb's point about Attwell messing up the Derby Forest match. Certainly it was the AR who dropped Attwell in it with the ghost goal at Watford; I seem to recall at the Derby Forest match, Attwell required little help from his ARs in making a complete mess of the whole thing, though perhaps his ARs didn't rescue him as well as they might.

Readingfan · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue 04 Dec 2018 13:21 »

Quote from: bmb on Mon 03 Dec 2018 23:09

Quote from: Hendo on Mon 03 Dec 2018 22:54
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 03 Dec 2018 19:29
Quote from: greeny on Mon 03 Dec 2018 18:05
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 03 Dec 2018 17:58
Martin Atkinson must have got Liverpool V Man Utd quite quickly - the one where he sent off Paul Scholes.

His 40th match according to Soccerbase. It'll be interesting to see how quickly Kavanagh gets his next 'big' match.

It's interesting that Tierney hasn't received a plum game in his tenure yet reached FIFA before Kavanagh

presumably will.

Interesting as I was just thinking the same thing.
Can anyone tell me how many games it was before Lee Mason or Roger East got the Manchester, Merseyside or North London derbies? 😂

I don't recall Attwell having a big derby game, aside from the infamous Derby v Forest game where he made a right dogs dinner of it.

Have always thought that unfair on him - it was his AR that messed up big time. I know as ref the buck stops with him but the reality is the big error wasn't actually his & should not still be following him around imo. Slate the person who got it wrong, not the poor guy who has to take the blame as he had the whistle not the flag!

I think you are thinking of the Watford V Reading game; whilst I think Attwell was still culpable to some extent, it is true Nigel Bannister was most to blame.

Attwell made a dog's dinner of Forest V Derby all by himself.

That said, it was over 10 years ago so don't think it should especially follow him around now. He's managed to carve out a decent enough career at this level over the past few seasons, if it has not reached the heights that the authorities were perhaps expecting/hoping for a decade or so ago.

ajb95 · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue 04 Dec 2018 16:20 »

Just my personal opinion but I think Attwell was a better referee 10 years ago!

bmb · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue 04 Dec 2018 17:44 »

Quote from: Readingfan on Tue 04 Dec 2018 13:21

I think you are thinking of the Watford V Reading game; whilst I think Attwell was still culpable to some extent, it is true Nigel Bannister was most to blame.

Attwell made a dog's dinner of Forest V Derby all by himself.

That said, it was over 10 years ago so don't think it should especially follow him around now. He's managed to carve out a decent enough career at this level over the past few seasons, if it has not reached the heights that the authorities were perhaps expecting/hoping for a decade or so ago.

Ah yes, thanks for the correction, I was thinking of that game & the ghost goal. I know the game you mean now & no it wasn't one of his finest moments!

That said it came at a time where everyone (and yes that's an overstated generalisation) seemed to be hyper-critical of him. I've seen tiny errors that he has made be blown all out of proportion that proved the point he was 'the worst ref ever' and justified his position particularly in the media as the poster boy for poor refereeing, that wouldn't even have rated a mention had they been made by one of the more popular refs. He was just a kid back then, unfairly promoted too early (not his decision and you can't blame him for not saying I'm not sure I'm ready yet) and then left to flounder with little or no support, it's no wonder his confidence took a massive nose dive. Michael Oliver greatly benefitted from Stuart's demise in that whilst he was also pushed very young, he was also managed far better and there was a better support network in place with him so they did not repeat the same mistakes. Yes he's an all round better referee as well but he was very well managed as a kid, which helped a lot to shape his future. The same can be said for other youngsters who have come onto the scene after them in that they are managed better and protected more. A positive step by the powers that be & I'm glad the lessons were actually learned but the media/managers and even some of us on here (that's not a dig) can't resist the urge to bring up that very unhappy period for him that was not really of his making. I felt sorry for him then & I still do now, got a massive soft spot for the kid (I still think of him as a kid!) and a lot of respect for him for the way he took his demotion and turned into a positive by working his socks off to improve himself. I think his far too early promotion destroyed that early promise because of the whole knock on effect but he's a great little ref on his day & really no more error prone than anyone else. His errors though will always be jumped on that little bit quicker because of who he is.

Whistleblower · « **Reply #23 on:** Wed 05 Dec 2018 05:31 »

Quote from: bmb on Tue 04 Dec 2018 17:44

Quote from: Readingfan on Tue 04 Dec 2018 13:21

I think you are thinking of the Watford V Reading game; whilst I think Attwell was still culpable to some extent, it is true Nigel Bannister was most to blame.

Attwell made a dog's dinner of Forest V Derby all by himself.

That said, it was over 10 years ago so don't think it should especially follow him around now. He's managed to carve out a decent enough career at this level over the past few seasons, if it has not reached the heights that the authorities were perhaps expecting/hoping for a decade or so ago.

Ah yes, thanks for the correction, I was thinking of that game & the ghost goal. I know the game you mean now & no it wasn't one of his finest moments!

That said it came at a time where everyone (and yes that's an overstated generalisation) seemed to be hyper-critical of him. I've seen tiny errors that he has made be blown all out of proportion that proved the point he was 'the worst ref ever' and justified his position particularly in the media as the poster boy for poor refereeing, that wouldn't even have rated a mention had they been made by one of the more popular refs. He was just a kid back then, unfairly promoted too early (not his decision and you can't blame him for not saying I'm not sure I'm ready yet) and then left to flounder with little or no support, it's no wonder his confidence took a massive nose dive. Michael Oliver greatly benefitted from Stuart's demise in that whilst he was also pushed very young, he was also managed far better and there was a better support network in place with him so they did not repeat the same mistakes. Yes he's an all round better referee as well but he was very well managed as a kid, which helped a lot to shape his future. The same can be said for other youngsters who have come onto the scene after them in that they are managed better and protected more. A positive step by the powers that be & I'm glad the lessons were actually learned but the media/managers and even some of us on here (that's not a dig) can't resist the urge to bring up that very unhappy period for him that was not really of his making. I felt sorry for him then & I still do now, got a massive soft spot for the kid (I still think of him as a kid!) and a lot of respect for him for the way he took his demotion and turned into a positive by working his socks off to improve himself. I think his far too early promotion destroyed that early promise because of the whole knock on effect but he's a great little ref on his day & really no more error prone than anyone else. His errors though will always be jumped on that little bit quicker because of who he is.

I entirely concur with bmb's analysis. Attwell's first spell on SG1 ( or whatever it was called back then ) was fair neither to himself nor the Premier League. Promoted ludicrously quickly without the experience or maturity to cope with such an intense environment, achieving a FIFA badge in no time at all ( though it has to be said nowadays if you're the right age it's hard to avoid one !) his subsequent career meant that his demotion was inevitable and justified.

He deserves enormous credit for not giving up but sticking to his trade, learning and acquiring experience and therefore beginning to develop the potential which was seen in him from early on. Now deservedly he is back in SG1 and I would say has established himself as a middle order hitter comparable to Probert, Friend and Scott. I do not think he will ever achieve the heights of Atkinson, Oliver or Dean but he is a cut above Mason, Moss and East. I have little doubt that the appointment to an FA Cup Final will one day come his way.

Whistleblower · « **Reply #24 on:** Wed 05 Dec 2018 05:35 »

My use of technology has again failed me. In my last post I have somehow managed to attribute my words to a quote by Readingfan to whom I apologise. I should point out that the first two paragraphs are my thoughts, the last three are Readingfan's.

Mods, if you can extricate my contribution and separate it from Readingfan's I would be grateful.

Whistleblower · « **Reply #25 on:** Wed 05 Dec 2018 05:36 »

...as it appears has my spelling !

Steelman · « **Reply #26 on:** Wed 05 Dec 2018 11:15 »

Quote from: bmb on Tue 04 Dec 2018 17:44

Quote from: Readingfan on Tue 04 Dec 2018 13:21

I think you are thinking of the Watford V Reading game; whilst I think Attwell was still culpable to some extent, it is true Nigel Bannister was most to blame.

Attwell made a dog's dinner of Forest V Derby all by himself.

That said, it was over 10 years ago so don't think it should especially follow him around now. He's managed to carve out a decent enough career at this level over the past few seasons, if it has not reached the heights that the authorities were perhaps expecting/hoping for a decade or so ago.

Ah yes, thanks for the correction, I was thinking of that game & the ghost goal. I know the game you mean now & no it wasn't one of his finest moments!

That said it came at a time where everyone (and yes that's an overstated generalisation) seemed to be hyper-critical of him. I've seen tiny errors that he has made be blown all out of proportion that proved the point he was 'the worst ref ever' and justified his position particularly in the media as the poster boy for poor refereeing, that wouldn't even have rated a mention had they been made by one of the more popular refs. He was just a kid back then, unfairly promoted too early (not his decision and you can't blame him for not saying I'm not sure I'm ready yet) and then left to flounder with little or no support, it's no wonder his confidence took a massive nose dive. Michael Oliver greatly benefitted from Stuart's demise in that whilst he was also pushed very young, he was also managed far better and there was a better support network in place with him so they did not repeat the same mistakes. Yes he's an all round better referee as well but he was very well managed as a kid, which helped a lot to shape his future. The same can be said for other youngsters who have come onto the scene after them in that they are managed better and protected more. A positive step by the powers that be & I'm glad the lessons were actually learned but the media/managers and even some of us on here (that's not a dig) can't resist the urge to bring up that very unhappy period for him that was not really of his making. I felt sorry for him then & I still do now, got a massive soft spot for the kid (I still think of him as a kid!) and a lot of respect for him for the way he took his demotion and turned into a positive by working his socks off to improve himself. I think his far too early promotion destroyed that early promise because of the whole knock on effect but he's a great little ref on his day & really no more error prone than anyone else. His errors though will always be jumped on that little bit quicker because of who he is.

I always thought that Stuart Attwell was an easy target in his first spell on the Premier League list. And, I also think that some of that came from him being the "favoured child" of David Elleray who seemed to want to push Attwell as far and as fast as he could. This did not sit well with people whether that was out of jealousy or out of a disliking for Lord Elleray as he was referred to I don't know, could be both. It does show the character of Attwell to bounce back and to a large extent prove his critics wrong.

bmb · « **Reply #27 on:** Wed 05 Dec 2018 12:30 »

Quote from: Whistleblower on Wed 05 Dec 2018 05:35

My use of technology has again failed me. In my last post I have somehow managed to attribute my words to a quote by Readingfan to whom I apologise. I should point out that the first two paragraphs are my thoughts, the last three are Readingfan's.

Mods, if you can extricate my contribution and separate it from Readingfan's I would be grateful.

Fixed along with your spelling

C- for you!

JCFC · « **Reply #28 on:** Wed 05 Dec 2018 12:35 »

Fixed ... your spelling

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In best pantomime tradition "Oh no you haven't!"

bmb · « **Reply #29 on:** Wed 05 Dec 2018 12:44 »

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Fixed ... your spelling

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Did I miss one? I got wil not will!!!

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