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Mikael W

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Celtic vs. Rangers, John Beaton
« on: Mon 02 May 2022 04:32 »
Clips from the Old Firm played yesterday:


28' - penalty area incident, potential simulation
https://streamable.com/yr0azx


31' - potential penalty to Celtic (blocking)
https://streamable.com/fd0tus


41' - correct onside call, then offside call by AR1 Frank Connor
https://streamable.com/r1gsgs


47' - potential penalty to Rangers (handling)
https://streamable.com/epyb1g


50' - caution to Celtic no.50 (tackle); reckless vs. SFP
https://streamable.com/uhq7ib


55' - incorrect onside call by AR2 Graeme Stewart
https://streamable.com/fym45p


64' - caution to Rangers no.31 (SPA - holding), teamwork
https://streamable.com/wbnvwe


65' - handling call against Rangers no.23
https://streamable.com/26kowk


72 - caution to Celtic no.6 (SPA-Reckless)
https://streamable.com/v4nh3p


75 - after play on call, potential penalty to Celtic (handling)
https://streamable.com/j6ndti


77 - caution to Celtic no.7 (persistence)
https://streamable.com/u3ggjc


77 - caution to Rangers no.14 (challenge)
https://streamable.com/nc4kt4


79 - play on call after Rangers no.6s tackle
https://streamable.com/c8kf51


87 - caution to Rangers no.9 (SPA - holding); SPA vs. DOGSO
https://streamable.com/qpmuov


+90 - series:
- correct offside call by Graeme Stewart
- incorrect offside call by Frank Connor, prior foul(?), management, teamwork
- potential caution to Celtic no.18
- caution to Rangers no.6 (dissent)
https://streamable.com/6rdihl
« Last Edit: Mon 02 May 2022 04:40 by Mikael W »

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Re: Celtic vs. Rangers, John Beaton
« Reply #1 on: Mon 02 May 2022 05:50 »
i say this as a Ranger supporter. John Beaton had no influence on the result. For me he had a good game, which meant it was under control at all times. When he needed to he brought the game back with FKs and then when he was happy with the tempo let it go again. This was his best performance in an Old Firm match.
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Re: Celtic vs. Rangers, John Beaton
« Reply #2 on: Mon 02 May 2022 11:01 »
Some of the highest resolution clips I can remember seeing here 😂

Are there any you want to discuss specifically?  Some good pick outs for discussion, but the majority look to have been dealt with perfectly.

I thought the team did well, and some of the teamwork was excellent.

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Re: Celtic vs. Rangers, John Beaton
« Reply #3 on: Mon 02 May 2022 12:45 »
Neither side can have any complaints about the refereeing team yesterday in my opinion, though as always is the way up here, some on both sides will microscopically analyse every decision and decide he has favoured the other. Welcome to Glasgow :) 
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Re: Celtic vs. Rangers, John Beaton
« Reply #4 on: Mon 02 May 2022 13:44 »
Thought it was an excellent game which John Beaton contributed to, I'd say he's maybe overtaken Madden and Collum this season.  He let minimal contact go and the players reacted to being given a bit of leeway and didn't take the mickey.  When he had to intervene he did it promptly and calmly and it never once threatened to blow out of control.  Very good.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon 02 May 2022 15:24 »
Are there any you want to discuss specifically?  Some good pick outs for discussion, but the majority look to have been dealt with perfectly.

Beaton reffed it very well IMO.

> In terms of KMIs:

47' - I guess nobody cares very much here (ball to hand, close distance), but in UEFA that is a clear penalty (+YC) to be given, enlarging body surface to block a shot. With VAR in operation, if SFA follow the UEFA line, that would be a clear intervention in 2023, just to warn everyone north of the border that VAR would necessarily reduce attention on the officials.

50' - Despite not hitting above the shin, some arguments for a red card here (flying tackle, 'not in control', high intensity on planted foot) but I'd go with Beaton, yellow was fine.

75' - Sky pundits rubbished the idea of a penalty and rightly so for British refereeing, never a penalty. In UEFA, the incident is vaguely similar to the TURITA one at the start of the EURO which Rosetti assessed as a missed intervention, but there are enough arguments there to support play on.

87' - Never DOGSO (too wide, players back), perfect yellow card decision.

> In terms of other talking points:

- I guess this match was of a lower difficulty than other Old Firm derbies in the past. That being said, in the second half, the game's difficulty increased as it went on and always played very passionately by both sets of players. Beaton did well, and any general praise from the media etc. is well-deserved.

- Maybe he is slightly betrayed by his physical condition and general impression of a 'passive' guy, but I always considered Beaton a referee with a very good style of refereeing. To be honest, perhaps even UEFA Elite level(!). But, we know for a fact that he will never reach that come what may. I'd like to see UEFA give him more chances though!

- After problems in the past with the men at Thomson's and then Collum's side, there were two (very) important mistakes by the assistant referees in this match (55', then 90'). It seems somehow that their 'linesmen' can't keep pace with their FIFA referees, whom's level I would generally consider to be very sound (better than 'our' FIFA squad in England I think, in terms of strength in depth!).
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Re: Celtic vs. Rangers, John Beaton
« Reply #6 on: Mon 02 May 2022 16:19 »
Are there any you want to discuss specifically?  Some good pick outs for discussion, but the majority look to have been dealt with perfectly.

Beaton reffed it very well IMO.

> In terms of KMIs:

47' - I guess nobody cares very much here (ball to hand, close distance), but in UEFA that is a clear penalty (+YC) to be given, enlarging body surface to block a shot. With VAR in operation, if SFA follow the UEFA line, that would be a clear intervention in 2023, just to warn everyone north of the border that VAR would necessarily reduce attention on the officials.

50' - Despite not hitting above the shin, some arguments for a red card here (flying tackle, 'not in control', high intensity on planted foot) but I'd go with Beaton, yellow was fine.

75' - Sky pundits rubbished the idea of a penalty and rightly so for British refereeing, never a penalty. In UEFA, the incident is vaguely similar to the TURITA one at the start of the EURO which Rosetti assessed as a missed intervention, but there are enough arguments there to support play on.

87' - Never DOGSO (too wide, players back), perfect yellow card decision.

> In terms of other talking points:

- I guess this match was of a lower difficulty than other Old Firm derbies in the past. That being said, in the second half, the game's difficulty increased as it went on and always played very passionately by both sets of players. Beaton did well, and any general praise from the media etc. is well-deserved.

- Maybe he is slightly betrayed by his physical condition and general impression of a 'passive' guy, but I always considered Beaton a referee with a very good style of refereeing. To be honest, perhaps even UEFA Elite level(!). But, we know for a fact that he will never reach that come what may. I'd like to see UEFA give him more chances though!

- After problems in the past with the men at Thomsen's and then Collum's side, there were two (very) important mistakes by the assistant referees in this match (55', then 90'). It seems somehow that their 'linesmen' can't keep pace with their FIFA referees, whom's level I would generally consider to be very sound (better than 'our' FIFA squad in England I think, in terms of strength in depth!).

UEFA has got the guidance wrong. Never a penalty for 'enlarging body' and never a penalty on 75 minutes either. UEFA need to grow a pair of wings. P.S. let's hope Scotland don't follow the UEFA guidance otherwise they're in for massive problems!

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Re: Celtic vs. Rangers, John Beaton
« Reply #7 on: Mon 02 May 2022 17:10 »
Are there any you want to discuss specifically?  Some good pick outs for discussion, but the majority look to have been dealt with perfectly.

Beaton reffed it very well IMO.

> In terms of KMIs:

47' - I guess nobody cares very much here (ball to hand, close distance), but in UEFA that is a clear penalty (+YC) to be given, enlarging body surface to block a shot. With VAR in operation, if SFA follow the UEFA line, that would be a clear intervention in 2023, just to warn everyone north of the border that VAR would necessarily reduce attention on the officials.

50' - Despite not hitting above the shin, some arguments for a red card here (flying tackle, 'not in control', high intensity on planted foot) but I'd go with Beaton, yellow was fine.

75' - Sky pundits rubbished the idea of a penalty and rightly so for British refereeing, never a penalty. In UEFA, the incident is vaguely similar to the TURITA one at the start of the EURO which Rosetti assessed as a missed intervention, but there are enough arguments there to support play on.

87' - Never DOGSO (too wide, players back), perfect yellow card decision.

> In terms of other talking points:

- I guess this match was of a lower difficulty than other Old Firm derbies in the past. That being said, in the second half, the game's difficulty increased as it went on and always played very passionately by both sets of players. Beaton did well, and any general praise from the media etc. is well-deserved.

- Maybe he is slightly betrayed by his physical condition and general impression of a 'passive' guy, but I always considered Beaton a referee with a very good style of refereeing. To be honest, perhaps even UEFA Elite level(!). But, we know for a fact that he will never reach that come what may. I'd like to see UEFA give him more chances though!

- After problems in the past with the men at Thomsen's and then Collum's side, there were two (very) important mistakes by the assistant referees in this match (55', then 90'). It seems somehow that their 'linesmen' can't keep pace with their FIFA referees, whom's level I would generally consider to be very sound (better than 'our' FIFA squad in England I think, in terms of strength in depth!).

Just to follow up on your points.

Agreed with 47'.  Hard to spot in real time, but you wouldn't be surprised to see that given by VAR in UEFA competition. 

50' is definitely a caution.  Contact is on the foot/toes which given UEFA guidance (which the SFA follow) instructions are almost always a caution in such situations (see also caution against Motherwell played in Scottish Cup tie against Hibs)

With respect to the two offside decisions, I'd suggest that the first call may have been deliberately held as the AR was unsighted as to the attacking/defensive touch and so held his flag awaiting confirmation.  If anything other than a goal kick is the result, then I'd have expected the flag to go up.  Or it was just wrongly held, but I'd be prepared to give the doubt given as we don't know (and all of us who have ever ran the line can sympathise with that potential position!)

The second one is tight, and one of the calls that VAR will assist with come December.
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