+-

+-User

Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
 
 
 

Login with your social network

Forgot your password?

+-Stats ezBlock

Members
Total Members: 965
Latest: BlindRef
New This Month: 12
New This Week: 2
New Today: 0
Stats
Total Posts: 76139
Total Topics: 5613
Most Online Today: 99
Most Online Ever: 17046
(Mon 29 Mar 2021 19:08)
Users Online
Members: 1
Guests: 75
Total: 76

Author Topic: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham  (Read 1191 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Mackem ref

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,590
    • View Profile
Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« on: Tue 23 Nov 2021 21:28 »
Really interested to hear other people’s opinions on the red card. I actually feel he is correct - Woods made the challenge with unnecessary force IMO and is lucky he didn’t properly connect with the Birmingham player.

Share on Facebook Share on Twitter

Like Like x 1 Agree Agree x 1 View List

Deanspen

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 132
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #1 on: Tue 23 Nov 2021 21:40 »
I thought a red was justified. Had he produced a yellow it was one of those incidents that you would have said “ that could easily have been red”. On balance I think he was right.

GingerReferee

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 800
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Referee Level: 5
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #2 on: Tue 23 Nov 2021 23:23 »
I think clear yellow but imo red can't be justified

rustyref

  • RTR Veterans
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1,631
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #3 on: Tue 23 Nov 2021 23:47 »
Absolutely no attempt to play the ball, clear red card for me.  He is just kicking an opponenent.

Big Ken

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #4 on: Wed 24 Nov 2021 09:17 »
Ref card for SFP. A dangerous raking stud challenge on the calf/achilles. Whether there’s enough contact is irrelevant. Intent✅ Speed✅ Brutality✅
Agree Agree x 1 Disagree Disagree x 1 View List

Craven

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 168
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #5 on: Wed 24 Nov 2021 10:34 »
Nailed on red for me. Horrible, cynical, cowards challenge. Well done to the ref for seeing it exactly how it was.
Agree Agree x 1 View List

DBLTFC

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 123
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #6 on: Wed 24 Nov 2021 20:57 »
I’m fascinated by the responses above. Has there been a change of interpretation in the law? I see the logic of SFP, but I don’t think it was any more excessive than any other tackle.

How do you sell that as a decision? You’re almost making a rod for your own back.
Agree Agree x 1 View List

Gorgeous George

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 111
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #7 on: Wed 24 Nov 2021 22:21 »
I understand the logic behind people saying this decision is correct but it just can’t be a red card for me.

The contact is minimal at best and intent is no longer anywhere near the laws of the game. If a yellow card is produced instead for the reckless challenge then nobody bats an eyelid. Instead he has stirred up debate about a non incident that wouldn’t even be discussed otherwise.

MKRef

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 46
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #8 on: Wed 24 Nov 2021 22:26 »
Thinking back to the Euros, wasn't Harry Wilson dismissed against Denmark for a similar tackle? If you watch the Woods one back, there's more force/aggression in the tackle when comparing the two.

DBLTFC

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 123
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #9 on: Fri 26 Nov 2021 08:06 »
Thinking back to the Euros, wasn't Harry Wilson dismissed against Denmark for a similar tackle? If you watch the Woods one back, there's more force/aggression in the tackle when comparing the two.
He was - and there was consternation as a result for Siebert’s decision.

Affy_Moose

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 313
  • Scottish Match Official
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #10 on: Fri 26 Nov 2021 10:40 »
Thinking back to the Euros, wasn't Harry Wilson dismissed against Denmark for a similar tackle? If you watch the Woods one back, there's more force/aggression in the tackle when comparing the two.

The Wilson tackle was most definitely 'worse'.  Wilson most definitely kicked his player, and the angles were quite different.  I'd go as far to say that the only comparable aspects of the two challenges is that they both had no intent to play the ball, but were otherwise very different.

The 'interesting' aspect of Woods' challenge is that he hits him twice.  He makes contact with the initial kick with his right foot, and then traps the attackers other ankle with his left foot.  It's clearly a RC - there is no ability nor attempt to play the ball, and has only intention is to kick his opponent.  Does it endanger safety? ✔ Does it use excessive force? ✔

For anyone wanting to view the challenge, it can be seen in the link below:

https://twitter.com/QuestTV/status/1463650150694502403?s=20

rustyref

  • RTR Veterans
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1,631
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #11 on: Fri 26 Nov 2021 16:34 »
I’m fascinated by the responses above. Has there been a change of interpretation in the law? I see the logic of SFP, but I don’t think it was any more excessive than any other tackle.

How do you sell that as a decision? You’re almost making a rod for your own back.

Referees at senior levels are increasingly sanctioning intentionally talking out an opponent when there is no attempt to play the ball as serious foul play or even violent conduct, and rightly so in my opinion.  The sell is easy, he has kicked an opponent with zero attempt to play the ball, therefore it is simply not a footballing action and rather is just kicking an opponent and that is violent conduct.  Any force used can only be excessive as you can't just kick someone off the ball.  Of course if it is a just a minor trip they usually get away with SPA, but when there is an obvious lunge like this referees are increasingly likely to go red.
Like Like x 1 View List

Joecphillips

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 321
    • View Profile
Re: Leigh Doughty - Coventry v Birmingham
« Reply #12 on: Sun 28 Nov 2021 12:32 »
Red card looks to me to be justified, I do think a lot of people would go yellow but that should not be an accepted part of the game