Author Topic: C Kavanagh- Man Utd vs Fulham (Read 4855 times)

takethejag · « **Reply #45 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:24 »

Quote from: bmb on Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:01

Quote from: Jackinthebox on Sun 19 Mar 2023 20:53
The thing which bemused me is why were the Fulham players/bench so angry? It's a clear Penalty and Red Card don't see why Mitrovic was so up in arms about it.

Possibly frustration overload. Realising they were potentially throwing the game away, which of course they did. It was an appalling, disgraceful over reaction to their own caused issue and took it out on the ref - the easy target. No excuse for so called professionals to act in that way though.

It's such a shame in terms of how well they were doing up until that point. They were winning, clearly the better team and threw it away with a complete loss of discipline.

Yes, we were the better side, we deserved to be ahead and if it wasn't for De Gea we might have been further ahead but moreover, we were showing the whole nation (who don't usually see our matches) what a good side we can be. From that to total national embarrassment

Arbitre anglais · « **Reply #46 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:25 »

For all of the talk, videos, badges, armbands, posters, handshakes, ‘Respect’ initiatives, the FA now have a clear chance to make a stand against blatantly unacceptable behaviour in its biggest competition. A long ban should be publicly given for language, grabbing referee angrily, failing to leave the field, and anything else.

I’ll be amazed if it’s more than 5 games total….!

bmb · « **Reply #47 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:38 »

Quote from: takethejag on Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:24

Quote from: bmb on Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:01
Quote from: Jackinthebox on Sun 19 Mar 2023 20:53
The thing which bemused me is why were the Fulham players/bench so angry? It's a clear Penalty and Red Card don't see why Mitrovic was so up in arms about it.

Possibly frustration overload. Realising they were potentially throwing the game away, which of course they did. It was an appalling, disgraceful over reaction to their own caused issue and took it out on the ref - the easy target. No excuse for so called professionals to act in that way though.

It's such a shame in terms of how well they were doing up until that point. They were winning, clearly the better team and threw it away with a complete loss of discipline.

Yes, we were the better side, we deserved to be ahead and if it wasn't for De Gea we might have been further ahead but moreover, we were showing the whole nation (who don't usually see our matches) what a good side we can be. From that to total national embarrassment

The vast majority of your fans have condemned the behaviour of Mitrovic and Silva on various SM sites which has shown your fanbase in a very good light. Don't lose sight of that. You have a good team, you are playing lovely football and you are doing so well this season. Personally I love to see it. Don't let 2 mins of utter madness ruin your season.

Sorry non refereeing really but we have some brilliant Fulham fans on here in our community and their response has been fantastic. If Kav does ever read this thread then he will possibly appreciate their responses the most.

bmb · « **Reply #48 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 21:55 »

Quote from: dave26 on Sun 19 Mar 2023 18:29

I think in the context of Fernandes with Adam Nunn the other week imo Fernandes used more force and received no sanction I don’t condone it nor do I condone mitrovic’s actions he can feel hard done by , but that said Kavanagh was spot on with his sanctions

I understand the whole well why wasn't Fernandes dealt with in the same way. The situations are very different - Mitrovic pushed Kav very openly out on the field of play in full view of everyone. He then continued to try and go for him in full view of everyone and Kav had to keep moving back to prevent him making further contact. Fernandes pushed Nunn in the back on the touchline - the referee didn't see it, he was focused on the play and Nunn had no way of knowing if it was a deliberate push or if Fernandes had accidentally ran into him as he returned to the pitch as it was behind him. The initial camera angle was not clear what had happened because you only really saw Nunn suddenly step forward. Now whether there should have been a VAR review for a potential red card is another matter but the initial view was that it was not clear what had happened and that is the biggest difference.

Harry H · « **Reply #49 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 22:16 »

Quote from: Hendo on Sun 19 Mar 2023 18:48

Now that we are praising a referee for taking strong action I very much look forward to this continuing and referees dealing strongly with the regular antics of Fernandes who week by week seems to get away with diving, petulant behaviour and complaints to referees.
Won’t hold my breath though……

It’s safe to say then the days after Madley failed to show red for what happened to Nunn, it safe to say he has instructed an expectation for any touch on the referee be it the arm back or a shove will result in a red card !! I look forward to more action being taken and consistent

To sum it up - Fulham lost their heads and Kav took the correct sanctions.

Ref Fan · « **Reply #50 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 22:34 »

I fully understand why contributors, including me, find Fernandes actions in some previous games totally unacceptable and unpleasant, but to mention him in the context of today's game I find puzzling. He's not as bad every game but some posters can't resist bringing up his name. Yes, he's been dealt with too leniently at times by referees, but he's not the only one.

Anyway, well done to Chris Kavanagh for taking strong action today. Perhaps at times we look for too many reasons why a referee has got a decision wrong or missed an incident, but I can understand from the angle of Willian's body, and with it being his rt arm the ball struck, why CK couldn't be sure even if he had a view unobscured by other players. He would have had to be at a very wide angle I suspect to have a reasonable chance of spotting it.

bmb · « **Reply #51 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 22:44 »

Quote from: Ref Fan on Sun 19 Mar 2023 22:34

Anyway, well done to Chris Kavanagh for taking strong action today. Perhaps at times we look for too many reasons why a referee has got a decision wrong or missed an incident, but I can understand from the angle of Willian's body, and with it being his rt arm the ball struck, why CK couldn't be sure even if he had a view unobscured by other players. He would have had to be at a very wide angle I suspect to have a reasonable chance of spotting it.

I agree. The clearest view was from the camera behind the goal, I think that backs up the majority view that it was not clear in real time where the contact was. The split second view Kav had would have been vastly different to the view we all had on TV.

Adam · « **Reply #52 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 22:44 »

Finally we've seen a referee taking action to abuse. We'll done Kav, you have all of us behind you!

Claretman · « **Reply #53 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 22:45 »

Quote from bbc website, i guess this was said on 606.

Former Premier League striker Chris Sutton, speaking on BBC Radio 5 Live, said the player should receive a 10-game ban.
In my opinion, it will impact further down the chain at grassroots level. There will be kids watching the game today who think, well if Mitrovic can do it, so can I."
He saw the red mist. That's no excuse. You cannot lay your hand on an official," said Sutton, adding that he felt Bruno Fernandes should have received the same ban for appearing to push an official during United's 7-0 defeat by Liverpool.

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PhiltheRef · « **Reply #54 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 23:13 »

I have a mentee who was only verbally abused yesterday (adults ganging up on a 16 year old girl refereeing her 9th ever game)
Fortunately she seems to be made of strong stuff stronger than her parents who wouldn't have been averse to her giving up.
What has happened today, as other correspondents have said, is entirely unacceptable and I concur.
It may however "empower" others to do similar...how should a Junior official deal with similar incidents taking place on a grass roots pitch, on their own with a plethora of irritated parents and coaches?
How do us mentors continue to convince these officials that it's not like this every week and that they should persist?
I am refereeing the 'offending' team next week and wonder whether they will be as aggressive toward me as they were to the female teenager yesterday??

jacksamuel21 · « **Reply #55 on:** Sun 19 Mar 2023 23:13 »

As many of you know, I am not the biggest fan of Chris Kavanagh. However I applaud him today for sending Miteovic off and Marco Silva and for keeping his cool and William off too. No blame at all attached not giving It in the first place. Very difficult to spot at that distance, angle while running at full speed. If in doubt don’t give it especially with VAR. Causes far more issues giving it as a pen and red card and then having to overturn it than the other way round. Well done Chris👏👏

RCG · « **Reply #56 on:** Mon 20 Mar 2023 06:53 »

From BBC report

"He also launched a personal attack on Kavanagh, recalling a defeat against West Ham in October when he was booked for arguing over a goal he did not believe should have stood.

"Our story with Chris Kavanagh this season has been tough for us," he said."

This is what Silva went on to say. To me speaks volumes.

Readingfan · « **Reply #57 on:** Mon 20 Mar 2023 07:39 »

The Mitrovic case seems a good example of a situation where the idea of a suspension only applying in the competition it was picked up in would not go down very well.

UmpireIan49 · « **Reply #58 on:** Mon 20 Mar 2023 09:18 »

The predictable blame game has started, starting with Marco Silva who harks back to a game played in October!

Excuse me? Why should that be of any relevance or excuse for what happened last night? Or for that matter, Chris Kavanagh refereed the fifth round tie between Fulham v Leeds and no fault was found there.

It’s the siege mentality….not my fault guv’nor, I’ll use the easy scapegoat, the referee for the incidents that occurred.

I’ve seen the incidents now, and Mitrovic’s behaviour is beyond the pale, making aggressive contact with Kavanagh and then getting in his face when the red card was shown. Dreadful….and the condemnation for that is just and appropriate.

A word to the wise…..deal with the match in front of you and don’t refer to the ill luck or rough decisions you’ve had with a particular official months or years before.

“I’ll have a word with him” and “He should have had two penalties himself” were two more Silva gems. A ban will suffice for the manager and his player and this will act as a deterrent to anyone else who goes overboard….but the blame game that comes out in moments like this are risible in the extreme.

An example needs to be set….will the FA have a backbone this time and take the necessary action? We will see

Failed Ref · « **Reply #59 on:** Mon 20 Mar 2023 09:52 »

With talk about an independent football regulator I was wondering whether the same regulator should be responsible for punishing offences like this? Given the impact of football on society, how much it pervades our lives and influences our own behaviour, the impact incidents like this have at grass root level, I cannot help but thinking we need to take disciplinary decisions away from those who have vested interests and undue influence so that any punishment reflects the seriousness of the offence. Of course it is not going to happen but when a player assaults a referee an example needs to be set. Just my mind wondering on a Monday morning.
Another thought, if in my former life one of my employees behaved so deplorably in public, I would not hesitate to publicly apologise and denounce their conduct in public. Clubs don't do that do they? No criticism of Fulham by the way - I feel for their fans as I would be embarrassed if my "club" did the same.
Finally, well done to C Kavanagh and to those Fulham players who went up to him after the match ended.

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