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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #15 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 08:27 »
When Paul wrote to Timothy that "The love of money is the root of all evil," he was perhaps overstating the case, but in the realm of professional football, he would not be too far wide of the mark.

Given the risks involved, my suspicion is that the Dirty Dozen are indulging in a spot of posturing and muscle-flexing - a sort of haka designed to intimidate UEFA ahead of tomorrow's meeting, with a view to wringing possible concessions. The response from the various federations is most encouraging, however, and it is to be hoped that they don't weaken.

If however the clubs go through with their threat, I foresee vast profits - for members of the legal profession, who are doubtless rubbing their hands with glee.

As for referees, any gain for them (and assistants) would be short-lived, if it is assumed that only those with no further prospects would accept the chalice. Woild FIFA retirees be prepared to forego a possible quarter century of foreign trips as observers, goodwill and prospects within their home federatons for a lucrative, but brief offer of pieces of silver? The ones who might be tempted are those who never made the FIFA list: I have no doubt that Lee Mason, for example,  could referee a Milan derby successfully and Andy Woolmer, say, El Classico, but I imagine they would not succumb to temptation.

This is a serious, potentially damaging state of affairs and nothing to laugh or smile about.

However my heartfelt thanks to JCFC for lightening the tone with his suggestion that Lee Mason could referee the Milan Derby and Andy Woolmer El Classico. I chuckled myself to sleep last night at the prospect. 😄😂😄😂
Might grandad Walton be tempted out of retirement?

I hear the Kettle is starting to boil with the prospect of officiating the Super League Grand Final next year
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #16 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 08:35 »
I doubt many English refs will go since half the teams are english

By the way, SKY and BT are speaking out on how bad this is, it is obvious they will be the first two offering the big bucks for tv rights.

Sky and Bt are frauds. All the teams taking part are frauds. Ban them from all domestic competitions. Prevent all players from going on international duty.

Managers should walk, pundits who think this is a disgrace should walk if they're bosses go anywhere near tv rights

There is no way this will end up going ahead. If it does, you'll not be seeing me anywhere near LFC anymore. The years I've given to the club, to be treated like this. A club where arguably the fans are most important. Theyre a shambles
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #17 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 08:55 »
Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs continuing to play in their national competitions at the weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.

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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #18 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 09:02 »
When Paul wrote to Timothy that "The love of money is the root of all evil," he was perhaps overstating the case, but in the realm of professional football, he would not be too far wide of the mark.

Given the risks involved, my suspicion is that the Dirty Dozen are indulging in a spot of posturing and muscle-flexing - a sort of haka designed to intimidate UEFA ahead of tomorrow's meeting, with a view to wringing possible concessions. The response from the various federations is most encouraging, however, and it is to be hoped that they don't weaken.

If however the clubs go through with their threat, I foresee vast profits - for members of the legal profession, who are doubtless rubbing their hands with glee.

As for referees, any gain for them (and assistants) would be short-lived, if it is assumed that only those with no further prospects would accept the chalice. Woild FIFA retirees be prepared to forego a possible quarter century of foreign trips as observers, goodwill and prospects within their home federatons for a lucrative, but brief offer of pieces of silver? The ones who might be tempted are those who never made the FIFA list: I have no doubt that Lee Mason, for example,  could referee a Milan derby successfully and Andy Woolmer, say, El Classico, but I imagine they would not succumb to temptation.

This is a serious, potentially damaging state of affairs and nothing to laugh or smile about.

However my heartfelt thanks to JCFC for lightening the tone with his suggestion that Lee Mason could referee the Milan Derby and Andy Woolmer El Classico. I chuckled myself to sleep last night at the prospect. 😄😂😄😂
Might grandad Walton be tempted out of retirement?



The word JCFC used in his post about Mason and Woolmer refereeing on such a high profile international stage which made me slightly raise one eyebrow was "successfully".  I mean, I could referee the Milan Derby and El Classico but it would be a sight from which those of a nervous disposition would have to avert their eyes and European football would probably take about twenty years to recover.
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« Reply #19 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 09:05 »
My club died a long time ago. I remember reading the match programme at Wolves and being delighted at the number of youth team players in the match day squad. Loyalty now is to a larger audience which means less resources devoted to local fans. There is an arrogance that suggests Liverpool should be in the elite when they cannot be sure of qualification this year.
Time to let fans have a controlling say on the boards through ownership as per Germany model.
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #20 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 09:25 »
Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs continuing to play in their national competitions at the weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.

In which case there is absolutely 0 chance of any other team other than these 6 scooping all the domestic awards with all the money they’ll have to splash out.

It stinks, quite bluntly, and these teams must be severely punished NOW to send a message that these money grabbing bar stewards of owners will not succeed.

Kick them out, and I for one would love to see the reaction of players banned from playing for their nations!
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« Reply #21 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 09:30 »
Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs continuing to play in their national competitions at the weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.

Uefa’s stance on all this: there’s an executive committee meeting today in Switzerland. Italian journo Fabrizio Romano reports Europe’s governing body is on the same page as FIFA, the Premier League, Serie A and La Liga in that teams will be banned from the Champions League and domestic leagues if they take part in the European Super League.

One senior executive at a Premier League club outside the big six has told the Guardian he believes the League will move to kick out the clubs involved in the European Super League and that they will continue with their plans regardless.

Ed Woodward has just stood down from Uefa’s Professional Football Strategy Council.
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« Reply #22 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 09:38 »
The first thing i would like to see is that fans when allowed back in, and it may be a while before full capacities are allowed, boycott all the home games played by the money grabbing founder members of the so called super league.
Secondly the clubs should be thrown out of their own national competitions.
Any players, officials and staff of said clubs at the inauguration of the super league should be expelled from all
National, fifa and eufa tournaments indefinately ( any match officials defecting to the league simarlarly ).
If the super league fails all member clubs of 5he super league, should have to enter their national competitions at the lowest level.
Let us hope that the super league clubs have to broadcast their games on their own tv channels only, then fans can vote with their subscriptions.
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #23 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 09:55 »
Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs continuing to play in their national competitions at the weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.

Uefa’s stance on all this: there’s an executive committee meeting today in Switzerland. Italian journo Fabrizio Romano reports Europe’s governing body is on the same page as FIFA, the Premier League, Serie A and La Liga in that teams will be banned from the Champions League and domestic leagues if they take part in the European Super League.

One senior executive at a Premier League club outside the big six has told the Guardian he believes the League will move to kick out the clubs involved in the European Super League and that they will continue with their plans regardless.

Ed Woodward has just stood down from Uefa’s Professional Football Strategy Council.

My best friend was a Man United season ticket holder. He says Ed Woodward and the owners (Glazer family) are nothing but parasites who have bled the club dry. He gave up his Season ticket when the glazers took over the club and is now thinking of renouncing his support all together.

I can tell you that the players will not be happy, and if these clubs are stripped of all cups and titles they’ve ever won the fans and former people won’t be happy either.

The commercialisation and the Americanisation of the English game has been nothing short of disgraceful. If these clubs want to go let them go, they’ll soon get bored in a closed shop league playing the same people every week/year in intense free, contactless football in front of plastic fans in some dead end stadium.
And when they do get bored and want to come back, we can all tell them where to stick it!

Enough is enough. It’s time for us as normal people to taken back control of football from corporate greed, parasitical owners and ineffective and useless football administrators!
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« Reply #24 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 11:42 »
I waited for the official announcement hoping that my club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the "super" league.  I'm saddened and a little surprised that we would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded from Europe on spurious grounds.  Only a little surprised as commercial interests have clearly taken preference over  principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into play.  Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities at international, continental and national level to be inept I don't have much confidence that this will improve matters.  I have posted before about the inevitability of football braking into two  codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I know not, that there may be changes.  Possibly games decided as in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area counting more points than those from within, a game of four quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't know?
A straw ;poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.  What do I do?   City are my club - I believe that my great grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and they have always been my team.
It's tough to know what to do.......for what it is worth I won't be renewing my Arsenal supporters club membership
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #25 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 13:23 »
Apparently going to be a midweek competition with clubs continuing to play in their national competitions at the weekends (BBC). On that basis, I can see it happening.

UEFA say they will be banned from domestic leagues & from representing their national teams if they go ahead with it and quite right as well.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384131697361317889
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« Reply #26 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 14:02 »
I waited for the official announcement hoping that my club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the "super" league.  I'm saddened and a little surprised that we would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded from Europe on spurious grounds.  Only a little surprised as commercial interests have clearly taken preference over  principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into play.  Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities at international, continental and national level to be inept I don't have much confidence that this will improve matters.  I have posted before about the inevitability of football braking into two  codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I know not, that there may be changes.  Possibly games decided as in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area counting more points than those from within, a game of four quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't know?
A straw ;poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.  What do I do?   City are my club - I believe that my great grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and they have always been my team.
It's tough to know what to do.......for what it is worth I won't be renewing my Arsenal supporters club membership

It's people like you guys I feel the most for.  Proper fans who are having their clubs completely stolen away from them.  We all know the big clubs have many plastic armchair fans but they do have a lot of real fans as well and it is the real fans that will suffer. The armchair fans however, will continue to buy their TV subscriptions and claim to be the top fan, never missed a game etc. but the majority of them wouldn't be able to even pinpoint the ground on a map, let actually alone go to a game.

More than ever I am glad I don't support a big team. I struggled enough with AFCB going into the PL. My little tinpot club that I thought nothing of jumping in a car and driving for 8 hours to Carlisle to watch them in League 2 (maybe league 1) and them getting hammered 3-0 - bank holiday Monday many years ago. I'd do that time and again. Rarely missed a game home or away.  We had no money, we were on 1st name terms with the bailiffs, our squad was threadbare but there was something special about it all, it was our club. As soon as they reached the PL, they stopped being my little tin pot club and became a corporate entity and I hated it. I watched the first season in the PL, well most games anyway and held a season ticket for the next 3 years although never attended, nor did I watch the games on TV. I gave my season tickets to a fan led charity that used them each game to send a disabled or terminally ill child and their carer to a game. A little bit of magic for those kids. Then for the first time in 25 years I gave up my season ticket, it was easier than I thought.  I'd go and meet up with team ref for a coffee (if they are friends of mine) and then go home and watch the NBI. I live just 7 miles from the ground. I remember one such coffee meeting, when I asked the referee who they were playing that day - the look of shock on his face is still with me. He's known me 20 odd years and he said something like, he never thought he'd see my love for my club die and in all the years he'd known me, I'd know every result, every goal scorer, every referee (and what colour shirt they had worn), every attendance figure etc and now I didn't even know who the opposition were. It was at the end of that season I didn't bother renewing my ST. They're still my team, to a degree.  You don't lose 40+ years of following a club completely. I was 3 weeks old when I went to my first game but my heart went out of it due to the money league.

Covid aside I'd think nothing of jumping on a plane to Budapest on a Friday morning, watching live NBI games on Fri night, Saturday & Sunday, possibly a non league game (I have 2 non leagues teams in Budapest), possibly an NBII game as well - kick off times dependant and flying back to the UK on Sunday night. I did that one weekend when AFCB were away to Man Utd in the PL.  It cost me the same for the flights, my travel cards in Hungary & food, accommodation is free for me there, as it would have to have gone to the Man U game & I know which was better value and what a fab weekend I had.
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #27 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 14:48 »
I waited for the official announcement hoping that my club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the "super" league.  I'm saddened and a little surprised that we would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded from Europe on spurious grounds.  Only a little surprised as commercial interests have clearly taken preference over  principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into play.  Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities at international, continental and national level to be inept I don't have much confidence that this will improve matters.  I have posted before about the inevitability of football braking into two  codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I know not, that there may be changes.  Possibly games decided as in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area counting more points than those from within, a game of four quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't know?
A straw ;poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.  What do I do?   City are my club - I believe that my great grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and they have always been my team.
It's tough to know what to do.......for what it is worth I won't be renewing my Arsenal supporters club membership

It's people like you guys I feel the most for.  Proper fans who are having their clubs completely stolen away from them.  We all know the big clubs have many plastic armchair fans but they do have a lot of real fans as well and it is the real fans that will suffer. The armchair fans however, will continue to buy their TV subscriptions and claim to be the top fan, never missed a game etc. but the majority of them wouldn't be able to even pinpoint the ground on a map, let actually alone go to a game.

More than ever I am glad I don't support a big team. I struggled enough with AFCB going into the PL. My little tinpot club that I thought nothing of jumping in a car and driving for 8 hours to Carlisle to watch them in League 2 (maybe league 1) and them getting hammered 3-0 - bank holiday Monday many years ago. I'd do that time and again. Rarely missed a game home or away.  We had no money, we were on 1st name terms with the bailiffs, our squad was threadbare but there was something special about it all, it was our club. As soon as they reached the PL, they stopped being my little tin pot club and became a corporate entity and I hated it. I watched the first season in the PL, well most games anyway and held a season ticket for the next 3 years although never attended, nor did I watch the games on TV. I gave my season tickets to a fan led charity that used them each game to send a disabled or terminally ill child and their carer to a game. A little bit of magic for those kids. Then for the first time in 25 years I gave up my season ticket, it was easier than I thought.  I'd go and meet up with team ref for a coffee (if they are friends of mine) and then go home and watch the NBI. I live just 7 miles from the ground. I remember one such coffee meeting, when I asked the referee who they were playing that day - the look of shock on his face is still with me. He's known me 20 odd years and he said something like, he never thought he'd see my love for my club die and in all the years he'd known me, I'd know every result, every goal scorer, every referee (and what colour shirt they had worn), every attendance figure etc and now I didn't even know who the opposition were. It was at the end of that season I didn't bother renewing my ST. They're still my team, to a degree.  You don't lose 40+ years of following a club completely. I was 3 weeks old when I went to my first game but my heart went out of it due to the money league.

Covid aside I'd think nothing of jumping on a plane to Budapest on a Friday morning, watching live NBI games on Fri night, Saturday & Sunday, possibly a non league game (I have 2 non leagues teams in Budapest), possibly an NBII game as well - kick off times dependant and flying back to the UK on Sunday night. I did that one weekend when AFCB were away to Man Utd in the PL.  It cost me the same for the flights, my travel cards in Hungary & food, accommodation is free for me there, as it would have to have gone to the Man U game & I know which was better value and what a fab weekend I had.

Interesting read, bmb, and it reminds me of the thoughts of the much hated former Chairman of Burnley, a certain Bob Lord, who prophesied in the early 1960s that there would be a European League at some time in the future, something that filled him with foreboding because of what it would do to football in this country.
Your thoughts on supporting AFCB in the PL are very much the same as mine in supporting Burnley over the last few seasons. I have been going for 69 years and seen 8 promotions and 8 relegations covering all 4 divisions of the league and suffering a last game against Orient in May 1987 when we could easily have become a non-League club!
Since 1966 I have not lived nearer than 100 miles from Turf Moor and, after my personal involvement both playing and officiating wherever I was, I decided to renew my season ticket in 1990 and have done so each year since, completing a 300 mile return trip to home games. However, unless we are relegated this season, I am fairly certain that I will not renew for next season because I have had enough of the play-acting, use of VAR and the general way the game is going at the highest level.

Obviously, should the breakway happen, this will not affect my small club, however, there are so many real fans who are in exactly the same situation as bmb and myself and who have a family tradition going back many years of supporting their club. I imagine that they will feel totally let down by their clubs who will be seen to be greedy should they pursue the breakaway.   
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« Reply #28 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 15:15 »
Ceferin hasn’t minced his words one bit... I thought he was quite polite when he refered to these traitors as “snakes”.

Premier league meeting tomorrow.... let’s hope they have the balls to kick out these money grabbing ***eholes from infecting the game with pure evil.

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« Reply #29 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 15:21 »
I think my view is that this is an attempt by the "big" Clubs to hold the Sword of Damocles over UEFA in order to further their aims in altering the Champions League in their favour with automatic entry each season irrespective of domestic league position and a far bigger share of the cash generated by TV rights.

It's a sign, should one be necessary, of the moral bankruptcy which is now endemic in football as big business. Things like history, fans, heritage and all that has made football our National game for over a hundred and fifty years have been jettisoned for the sake of chasing the money. These owners and Chief Executives, in Oscar Wilde's famous definition of cynicism, know "the price of everything and the value of nothing "  Let them go, don't let them back and somehow see if football can regain a vestige of its soul.
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