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Break away Super League
« on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 18:24 »
Gary Neville is not one I would associate with being partial to... however he is absolutely right in what he says.

I’d be interested in the thoughts of others on here, plus what impact this would have on our top referees like Oliver and Taylor...

Would they follow suit?

These PL clubs who’ve signed up to this are an absolute disgrace and the consequences to the lower leagues would be catastrophic.

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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #1 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 18:33 »
Let them go.

If there are 16 Super League teams, in one league, they can't all be winners. What happens when say Arsenal finish bottom 2 years running. Are their fans going to be getting enjoyment from losing most weeks? ( or losing more weeks than they are now  :) )
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #2 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 18:47 »
Already been announced that any clubs signing up for it will be expelled from their domestic leagues and not permitted to take part in the UCL & UEL so let them go if they really want and if and when they want to return make them apply to join the league right down at the bottom of the pyramid like every other new club. 

In terms of refereeing it will not be an official UEFA league & therefore UEFA will not provide the referees for it.  They will have to provide their own pool of referees.  I suspect any referees will be subjected to the same conditions as the players - no UCL/no UEL/ no World Cup/ no Euros - can't see any referees with a chance of taking part in any of those leaving the domestic leagues for it.  They'll get end of career ex FIFA refs looking for a retirement fund.
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #3 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 18:57 »
Interesting that the Premier League are having a massive tantrum at the thought of some of their clubs leaving for a bigger league with the offer of more TV and prize money.

Welcome to 1992…
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« Reply #4 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 19:06 »
And isn’t Gary Neville the one who pumped millions into a lower league vanity project while working for Sky who literally created this money grabbing culture in English football?
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #5 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 19:14 »
And isn’t Gary Neville the one who pumped millions into a lower league vanity project while working for Sky who literally created this money grabbing culture in English football?

All of which he admitted to when commenting on this following the match.  Correctly he is "disgusted"

Already been announced that any clubs signing up for it will be expelled from their domestic leagues and not permitted to take part in the UCL & UEL so let them go if they really want and if and when they want to return make them apply to join the league right down at the bottom of the pyramid like every other new club. 

In terms of refereeing it will not be an official UEFA league & therefore UEFA will not provide the referees for it.  They will have to provide their own pool of referees.  I suspect any referees will be subjected to the same conditions as the players - no UCL/no UEL/ no World Cup/ no Euros - can't see any referees with a chance of taking part in any of those leaving the domestic leagues for it.  They'll get end of career ex FIFA refs looking for a retirement fund.

Exactly my thoughts.  A referee who has achieved everything they could possibly have in the game would benefit from such a move.

Let them go.

If there are 16 Super League teams, in one league, they can't all be winners. What happens when say Arsenal finish bottom 2 years running. Are their fans going to be getting enjoyment from losing most weeks? ( or losing more weeks than they are now  :) )

Agree.  Although personally I can't wait for the end of season 14th vs 16th clash with no prospect of relegation.
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« Reply #6 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 19:20 »
I assume Neville will then quit his very very well paid job with Sky if they won the broadcast rights to this new competition if it happens?

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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #7 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 20:18 »
Neville and SKY will not be happy because the value of the premier league contract will be considerably less without those six clubs.  I assume the new big six will be Leicester, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle, A Villa and Leeds - very different.  Of course, if SKY are so disgusted by this they can rule themselves out of any TV contract for this league, but they won't.

As usual with these things everyone has a vested interest.  people will say "Let them go" but ultimately these games are the ones people will watch, the TV contracts (across the world) for it will be big money and this will be at the expense of the premier league, FA, football league, FIFA and UEFA. 

It will probably happen and don't be surprised for the other big clubs such as PSG and Bayern to join them.

In terms of referees and players they will not be short of any, even the big names would make the move if you were refereeing the quality of games that they are promising.  They will also follow the money.

It would be sad that if such a league were to affect the quality of players at world cups and European championships.
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #8 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 20:29 »
It won't happen.  FIFA have been very clear that they won't recognise it, which means any player taking part in it won't be able to play for their national team.  Are they really going to sign up for that, I just don't think so.

The cynical in me things the big clubs are just doing this to flex their muscles and will try to use it to get a better deal in existing competitions.  They will want guaranteed Champions League qualification even if they fall outside the qualifying places, a bigger share of the prize and TV money, etc.
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #9 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 20:32 »
When Paul wrote to Timothy that "The love of money is the root of all evil," he was perhaps overstating the case, but in the realm of professional football, he would not be too far wide of the mark.

Given the risks involved, my suspicion is that the Dirty Dozen are indulging in a spot of posturing and muscle-flexing - a sort of haka designed to intimidate UEFA ahead of tomorrow's meeting, with a view to wringing possible concessions. The response from the various federations is most encouraging, however, and it is to be hoped that they don't weaken.

If however the clubs go through with their threat, I foresee vast profits - for members of the legal profession, who are doubtless rubbing their hands with glee.

As for referees, any gain for them (and assistants) would be short-lived, if it is assumed that only those with no further prospects would accept the chalice. Woild FIFA retirees be prepared to forgo a possible quarter century of foreign trips as observers, goodwill and prospects within their home federatons for a lucrative, but brief offer of pieces of silver? The ones who might be tempted are those who never made the FIFA list: I have no doubt that Lee Mason, for example,  could referee a Milan derby successfully and Andy Woolmer, say, El Classico, but I imagine they would not succumb to temptation.





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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #10 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 20:37 »
Interesting that the Premier League are having a massive tantrum at the thought of some of their clubs leaving for a bigger league with the offer of more TV and prize money.

Welcome to 1992…

The two situations are very different.  The initial clubs into the Premier League in 1992 were based on the previous Football League standings.  This new "elite" league will have Spurs and Arsenal, who aren't even in the top six clubs in England let alone Europe.  Plus from day one the PL had open promotion and relegation, whereas this new proposal is a closed shop.

You are comparing chalk and cheese to be fair.
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« Reply #11 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 21:27 »
so UEFA are upset over this "cynical project", because it's usurped their cynical project that they were announcing tomorrow that would take out another 4 midweeks of league football, and the Premier League are upset because they have been stitched up by their top clubs just like they did to the FA in 1992. I'm afraid they both reap what they sow.

If the Premier League could have got away with a closed shop in 1992 then they would have, and the majority of top players are mercenaries and play for the money, not the badge or the club/country. If they are offered a million a week to play in this, they will be happy to forgo international honours, and why wouldn't they, they would be stupid not to.

Again with the referee's. you won't get the up and coming officials as they may well want a honour, but if you were the likes of a several season top divison official or one towards the end of an onfield careeer, then why wouldn't you go where the money is. The Premier League, and Sky, made these top clubs big businesses and got their players big money, so all this virtue signalling by them now is a bit rich.

The only people I feel sorry for are loyal fans, the ones who have season tickets and/or followed their teams home and away for many years who will either be priced out of tickets (although with the incoming monies from elsewhere that shouldn't happen) or not be able to afford the travel costs or time off work to attend like they have

I say let them go. Supporters will soon get fed up with it, people will switch off and they won't have a product to sell. I presume BT and Sky won't be showing it, the amount of whining they have been doing about it. Kids will start supporting their local teams again, and not be priced out of going. Maybe, just maybe, we start to get our sport back out of the hands of the businessmen and into those who care about the game
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #12 on: Sun 18 Apr 2021 21:38 »
New champions league rules have been voted in so the “elite” clubs will be guaranteed a Cl place no matter what. Association football is based equal opportunity and meritocracy.
These owners have ZERO interest in the fans (selling a commercial product) or ordinary people (staff being furloughed) yet line their own pockets.
It’s nothing but a greedy sell out to make the rich richer. Kick them all out strip them of everything they’ve ever won and see how they feel when they won’t be allowed back when it all fails.

NB. I think Bayern/PSG have refused to take part so haven’t been invited which is a bit rich for PSG in particular considering their financial clout!
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« Reply #13 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 07:55 »
I waited for the official announcement hoping that my club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the "super" league.  I'm saddened and a little surprised that we would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded from Europe on spurious grounds.  Only a little surprised as commercial interests have clearly taken preference over  principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into play.  Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities at international, continental and national level to be inept I don't have much confidence that this will improve matters.  I have posted before about the inevitability of football breaking into two  codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I know not, that there may be changes.  Possibly games decided as in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area counting more points than those from within, a game of four quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't know?
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #14 on: Mon 19 Apr 2021 08:23 »
When Paul wrote to Timothy that "The love of money is the root of all evil," he was perhaps overstating the case, but in the realm of professional football, he would not be too far wide of the mark.

Given the risks involved, my suspicion is that the Dirty Dozen are indulging in a spot of posturing and muscle-flexing - a sort of haka designed to intimidate UEFA ahead of tomorrow's meeting, with a view to wringing possible concessions. The response from the various federations is most encouraging, however, and it is to be hoped that they don't weaken.

If however the clubs go through with their threat, I foresee vast profits - for members of the legal profession, who are doubtless rubbing their hands with glee.

As for referees, any gain for them (and assistants) would be short-lived, if it is assumed that only those with no further prospects would accept the chalice. Woild FIFA retirees be prepared to forego a possible quarter century of foreign trips as observers, goodwill and prospects within their home federatons for a lucrative, but brief offer of pieces of silver? The ones who might be tempted are those who never made the FIFA list: I have no doubt that Lee Mason, for example,  could referee a Milan derby successfully and Andy Woolmer, say, El Classico, but I imagine they would not succumb to temptation.

This is a serious, potentially damaging state of affairs and nothing to laugh or smile about.

However my heartfelt thanks to JCFC for lightening the tone with his suggestion that Lee Mason could referee the Milan Derby and Andy Woolmer El Classico. I chuckled myself to sleep last night at the prospect. 😄😂😄😂
Might grandad Walton be tempted out of retirement?
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