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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #45 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 11:10 »
See Manchester MPs have written to City and United.

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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #46 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 13:27 »
There's a tweet from Alex Wickham which, if true, could well refer to City microscopist.

"Hearing from a source with knowledge that one of the big six English clubs is now seriously considering pulling out of the Super League

They are accusing Liverpool and Manchester United — the 2 clubs leading the breakaway — of lying to them and “f***ing up”
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #47 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 13:45 »
There's a tweet from Alex Wickham which, if true, could well refer to City microscopist.

"Hearing from a source with knowledge that one of the big six English clubs is now seriously considering pulling out of the Super League

They are accusing Liverpool and Manchester United — the 2 clubs leading the breakaway — of lying to them and “f***ing up”
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Well that city all over isn’t it. They want to be a part of the elite, get their fingers in the pie, but when things turn sour they blame others as if they had nothing to do with it!
They’ve signed up to it and should face the same consequences as the other 5!
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #48 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 14:00 »
I have had mixed feelings about ALK taking over ownership at Burnley, however, credit to the Chairman who has written an open letter to us fans.

An open letter to Burnley supporters and the English football community
April 20, 2021

By Alan Pace, Chairman of Burnley Football Club

Dear supporters,

A breakaway Super League should never have happened, but this is about much more than club self-interest and is an example of how the governance of football in this country and throughout Europe needs to be reformed.
The six Premier League clubs taking this step have turned their back on our moral duty as custodians of the game to protect English football and, the spirit of the sport, at all costs.
Weak governance has led us to this point.

Therefore, today I am calling on Boris Johnson and Oliver Dowden to follow their welcome intervention and now appoint an independent regulator to protect English football with legislation.

As a former financier, I understand the commercial considerations for these clubs and can appreciate their frustration at being the largest revenue drivers for the UEFA Champions League, without receiving the same levels of influence and reward.
However, this is a move which does not treat fans or the game’s history with the respect it deserves and is not the solution.

We need to ensure that football is protected. The game is bigger than all of us, and its future cannot be compromised by self-interest.
The contempt the proposals have received was inevitable.

It is truly a shame that it has come to this. We are the greatest league in the world and we can do more to bring people together and set the path forward for all and not just the few.
We have a responsibility to all that have come before us and all those who will follow in the wider game.

While we too at Burnley have ambitious plans to grow the club’s revenues, those plans have always been on the back of performance, both on and off the pitch, and not artificial protectionism.
As my business partners and I have now been working and living in Burnley for several months and are in the process of moving permanently to the area, I would greatly encourage my fellow chairmen to walk the streets around their local communities and get to know them personally, rather than creating more distance between themselves and fans.

This is also why I invite No10, the Government and the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport to now legislate.
Ultimately, we need a strong regulator in the style of OFTEL or OFCOM to protect and build the interests of English football.
It’s time to do things differently!
Over the coming days, I will be working hard alongside my fellow club owners and governing bodies to fight these proposals and find a solution to improved football governance in this country.

I welcome initial noises coming from the UK Government and encourage them to provide strong leadership on these proposals, given their seismic impact on the UK’s cultural landscape.

Yours, in Football

Alan Pace
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #49 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 14:14 »
Statement from Everton is one I can fully respect.

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2111866

Everton is saddened and disappointed to see proposals of a breakaway league pushed forward by six clubs.

Six clubs acting entirely in their own interests.

Six clubs tarnishing the reputation of our league and the game.

Six clubs choosing to disrespect every other club with whom they sit around the Premier League table.

Six clubs taking for granted and even betraying the majority of football supporters across our country and beyond.

At this time of national and international crisis - and a defining period for our game - clubs should be working together collaboratively with the ideals of our game and its supporters uppermost.

Instead, these clubs have been secretly conspiring to break away from a football pyramid that has served them so well.

And in that Pyramid Everton salutes EVERY club, be it Leicester City, Accrington Stanley, Gillingham, Lincoln City, Morecambe, Southend United, Notts County and the rest who have, with their very being, enriched the lives of their supporters throughout the game's history. And vice versa.

The self-proclaimed Super Six appear intent on disenfranchising supporters across the game - including their own - by putting the very structure that underpins the game we love under threat.

The backlash is understandable and deserved – and has to be listened to.

This preposterous arrogance is not wanted anywhere in football outside of the clubs that have drafted this plan.

On behalf of everyone associated with Everton, we respectfully ask that the proposals are immediately withdrawn and that the private meetings and subversive practises that have brought our beautiful game to possibly its lowest ever position in terms of trust end now.

Finally we would ask the owners, chairmen, and Board members of the six clubs to remember the privileged position they hold – not only as custodians of their clubs but also custodians of the game. The responsibility they carry should be taken seriously.

We urge them all to consider what they wish their legacy to be.

Everton FC Board of Directors
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #50 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 14:20 »
Our Chairman Shad Khan has also come out to oppose it.. and he is an American.
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #51 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 14:29 »
Whilst I don't think this is a good idea, I don't see what can be done to stop the breakaway teams if they wish to go.  I remember the same arguments when the Premier League was set up, when they threatened to ditch the FA as well as the FL.  Stopping players turning out for England is hardly a deterrent.  At the end of the day it's all about money.

I recall when Kerry Packer revolutionised cricket, the banned players went off to play for him regardless.  They were eventually invited back. Even now, top players prioritise the IPL because that's where the money is.  So eventually there will be a compromise with the top clubs getting more or less what they want.

To demonstrate my opposition to the plans, I am announcing now that I will never pay to watch Coventry City play in any European Super League.  So there!
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #52 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 14:59 »
I think that some sort of European league is probably inevitable and I also think that it could work, provided that it is set up under the aegis of UEFA and that it is carefully built into the pre-existing structure of European football.  Far from being a closed structure, such a league would have promotion and relegation and to accommodate as many countries as possible might well have several divisions.

Unlike the proposed league, which seems to me to be a blatant attempt to introduce an American-type structure into European football (which might offer some clues for where the idea originated).  The problem is that the anti-competitive elements of the American system (e.g. lack of relegation) are mitigated by artificial devices  such as player drafts and salary caps.  It is also the case, in my view, that the sporting cultures of Europe and North America are very different.

The second point about the proposed league is that it appears to be born not out of wealth-inspired confidence, but out of financial desperation: several of the clubs are in dire financial straits, and they are expecting that the money associated with the new league, wherever it is supposed to be coming from, will help to bail them out.

But the real question is: where will the VAR room be located?
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #53 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 15:09 »
I waited for the official announcement hoping that my club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the "super" league.  I'm saddened and a little surprised that we would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded from Europe on spurious grounds.  Only a little surprised as commercial interests have clearly taken preference over  principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into play.  Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities at international, continental and national level to be inept I don't have much confidence that this will improve matters.  I have posted before about the inevitability of football breaking into two  codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I know not, that there may be changes.  Possibly games decided as in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area counting more points than those from within, a game of four quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't know?
A straw poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.  What do I do?   City are my club - I believe that my great grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and they have always been my team.

Why did you think City wouldn't be one of the clubs?

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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #54 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 15:23 »
Our Chairman Shad Khan has also come out to oppose it.. and he is an American.

There are a lot starting to speak now & it's good to see.

Marcus Rashford has spoken out against it as well & there has been a meeting of club captains who are also starting to speak out against it. They will hold more sway with the big 6 directors than fans will especially as these are some of the players they want to be taking with them.
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« Reply #55 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 17:10 »
Amongst all the Super League fanfare the latest revamp of the Champions League was officially announced by UEFA.  The group stage will now consist of one group of 36 clubs each playing ten games with the top 8 progressing to the last sixteen and those placed nine to 24 playing off for a place in the last sixteen.  That means there will be 180 games played to eliminate eight teams with the likelihood being that three wins out of ten games will be enough to go through.  Lots of dead rubbers, very little jeopardy.  It sounds even duller than the proposed Super League,
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #56 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 17:31 »
Our Chairman Shad Khan has also come out to oppose it.. and he is an American.

But he hopes the six will leave, then at least we won't get relegated this season  :D

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« Reply #57 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 18:00 »
I waited for the official announcement hoping that my club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the "super" league.  I'm saddened and a little surprised that we would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded from Europe on spurious grounds.  Only a little surprised as commercial interests have clearly taken preference over  principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into play.  Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities at international, continental and national level to be inept I don't have much confidence that this will improve matters.  I have posted before about the inevitability of football breaking into two  codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I know not, that there may be changes.  Possibly games decided as in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area counting more points than those from within, a game of four quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't know?
A straw poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.  What do I do?   City are my club - I believe that my great grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and they have always been my team.

Why did you think City wouldn't be one of the clubs?

Well 0f the 12/15(14 now Bayern have apparently withdrawn) City, followed by Chelsea, seem to have the least to gain and the most to lose.  So far as I can gather we are not in debt and don't need ready cash.  Most of the others appear to have have substantial debt, particularly the Spanish clubs - so why help them out?  Most of these clubs, especially the English teams who play in red, seem to have had a lot of influence in the Premier League, English FA and UEFA and used it to devise and execute FFP to stop City and other teams breaking into their cartel.  In time I'd expect them to turn on us again within the new structure.  So apart from any moral or sentimental considerations I didn't think it made sense.  Of course we now have sold shares to USA and Chinese organisations and particularly the USA shareholders may have applied pressure on us.

During City's appeal to CAS about the FFP ban there were two or three City fans who seemed to have inside sources in the club, rumoured to be the tea lady .  None of these seem to have any inkling to the rationale.  One suggests that it is either a cunning plan to get revenge on those who encouraged UEFA to pursue the FFP claim or a monumental ......   If it is a cunning plan it would seem to be one that would fit in a Blackadder plot.  Bayern's plan seems better to me.

Guardiola appears to have asked for a public explanation of the rationale - several players retweeted it and then unretweeted

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« Reply #58 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 18:33 »
I waited for the official announcement hoping that my club, Manchester City would not be listed as those joining the "super" league.  I'm saddened and a little surprised that we would want to join with those who sought to have us excluded from Europe on spurious grounds.  Only a little surprised as commercial interests have clearly taken preference over  principles and I guess "keep your enemies closer" comes into play.  Whilst I have long considered the footballing authorities at international, continental and national level to be inept I don't have much confidence that this will improve matters.  I have posted before about the inevitability of football breaking into two  codes and I have read, whether fact or fantasy based I know not, that there may be changes.  Possibly games decided as in rugby on a points basis - goals from outside the penalty area counting more points than those from within, a game of four quarters rather than two halves and so on - true or not I don't know?
A straw poll of around 1000 City fans show 95.7% against.  What do I do?   City are my club - I believe that my great grandfather played for them, dad was a lifetime supporter and they have always been my team.

Why did you think City wouldn't be one of the clubs?

Well 0f the 12/15(14 now Bayern have apparently withdrawn) City, followed by Chelsea, seem to have the least to gain and the most to lose.  So far as I can gather we are not in debt and don't need ready cash.  Most of the others appear to have have substantial debt, particularly the Spanish clubs - so why help them out?  Most of these clubs, especially the English teams who play in red, seem to have had a lot of influence in the Premier League, English FA and UEFA and used it to devise and execute FFP to stop City and other teams breaking into their cartel.  In time I'd expect them to turn on us again within the new structure.  So apart from any moral or sentimental considerations I didn't think it made sense.  Of course we now have sold shares to USA and Chinese organisations and particularly the USA shareholders may have applied pressure on us.

During City's appeal to CAS about the FFP ban there were two or three City fans who seemed to have inside sources in the club, rumoured to be the tea lady .  None of these seem to have any inkling to the rationale.  One suggests that it is either a cunning plan to get revenge on those who encouraged UEFA to pursue the FFP claim or a monumental ......   If it is a cunning plan it would seem to be one that would fit in a Blackadder plot.  Bayern's plan seems better to me.

Guardiola appears to have asked for a public explanation of the rationale - several players retweeted it and then unretweeted


But it was proved that City had broken FFP rules just like PSG. They did what all the other "elite" clubs would have done and made sure they paid a small fine to guarantee their ongoing participation. On the outside, City may show themselves as a different and doing things differently, but beneath all of it is the same disgusting backhanded selfish arrogance that all the elite clubs wash themselves with; they are no different!

That being said Microsopist I do agree that we should not be bailing out the indebted clubs. Yes, the big clubs have lost a lot of money as a result of the pandemic, but so have the thousands of clubs around the world not to mention the affect it has had on the 7 billion people across the world. If they cannot run their clubs properly and sustainably, they shouldnt be running them. ENd of!
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Re: Break away Super League
« Reply #59 on: Tue 20 Apr 2021 18:48 »
Now these clowns in charge of these clubs have provoked mass protests outside grounds during a pandemic.

These tools in command of these six money grabbers should be held to task.

Looks like Petr Cech is now involved in the crowd telling them to get out the way so the team coaches can get in.