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Re: Bobby Madley interview
« Reply #15 on: Wed 01 Jan 2020 13:19 »
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..a snail could make it the whole way around a football pitch..
Or even Aguero?
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
« Reply #16 on: Wed 01 Jan 2020 13:44 »
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..a snail could make it the whole way around a football pitch..
Or even Aguero?

Well that one might be pushing it ;)
Hajrá Lilák. Csak a Kispest. Hajrá Magyarok! Hajrá játékvezetői csapat! Soha ne add fel. Nincs sárga kérem!!! No Chris Kavanagh doesn't live in Ashton or even in the Greater Manchester area!!
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
« Reply #17 on: Wed 01 Jan 2020 14:54 »
He should be proud of himself to explain exactly what happened. To be sacked for that I think its Political Correctness gone wrong. We miss Referees of his calibre
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« Reply #18 on: Wed 01 Jan 2020 15:22 »
So many people are involved in our football we watch play and love all parties I am confident have had these scenarios to deal with - I am sure we can all recollect acts of stupidity and foolishness from players, spectators club officials and team management, far to many to list I am sure, but just a thought, football pundit is caught on camera spitting from a car at a child and he keeps his job!
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Re: Bobby Madley interview
« Reply #19 on: Wed 01 Jan 2020 18:57 »
Excellent post Whistleblower (an unfortunate name in the circumstances?!)

I also wonder, in passing, what impact this has had on Andy Madley and if there might be extra scrutiny on him as he prepares to referee Watford V Wolves tomorrow. I'm sure that Bobby has been delighted to see him promoted to both the PL and FIFA list this year.

When I took on this non de plume I wasn't really thinking of being a purveyor of secrets or exposing hidden practices, rather it was more of a pun
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« Reply #20 on: Wed 01 Jan 2020 19:47 »
, it was stupid yes but in the day and age where our Prime Minister and other politicians say far worse things on an almost daily basis, often with malice, and no-one seems to bat an eye about it I feel the punishment far outweighed the crime.


I think it's pushing it to say no one bats an eye lid but it's fair to say people often escape the punishment they perhaps deserve. However, I think it's a dangerous path to go down if we suggest the fact some senior people get away with things means the rest of us should too. Rather, we should look to ensure those in positions of responsibility don't abuse their position.

I think the fact a video was specifically filmed is a point that shouldn't completely be ignored. I'm not sure that the filming of people with disabilities in this way should in any way be encouraged.

I have a disability myself and if some random person started filming me when I was out and about and said 'I'm just going to send this to my mate as a private joke', I don't think I would feel very comfortable and would find it a bit odd (we obviously don't know the exact context.)

Perhaps a suitable analogy (to return to the football/refereeing theme) is a defender going to ground in the penalty area and not getting the ball or a player who petulantly (rather than violently) raises their hands to an opponent - you might escape the most severe punishment but you are taking a risk with your actions and you have to accept what the consequences might be.
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« Reply #21 on: Wed 01 Jan 2020 21:43 »
Very honest account and seems to really try to put the facts out in a very objective way - mostly, though his comparison of his actions to those of "a politician" were stretching it a bit.
There's a great quote (from Jurassic Park, which is probably not known for its philosophical content):   "I don't blame people for their mistakes, but I do ask that they pay for them." And that's basically how I see this: The consequences of the actions must be faced and, whilst very strong, I don't think there's anything unfair about the consequences he's had to face.
On a personal level I feel sorry for him, and can't imagine what it feels like to have everything you've worked for taken away over something entirely within your control. I hope he can move on with his life and be happy in whatever he does in the future.
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« Reply #22 on: Thu 02 Jan 2020 08:24 »
Very honest account and seems to really try to put the facts out in a very objective way - mostly, though his comparison of his actions to those of "a politician" were stretching it a bit.
There's a great quote (from Jurassic Park, which is probably not known for its philosophical content):   "I don't blame people for their mistakes, but I do ask that they pay for them." And that's basically how I see this: The consequences of the actions must be faced and, whilst very strong, I don't think there's anything unfair about the consequences he's had to face.
On a personal level I feel sorry for him, and can't imagine what it feels like to have everything you've worked for taken away over something entirely within your control. I hope he can move on with his life and be happy in whatever he does in the future.

I agree with the Jurassic Park quote about paying for mistakes. The question seems to be , what is a fair price ?  Madley has paid a very, very steep price in my view. Whether it is a fair price in the circumstances is more open to debate and without knowing more of the material facts I'm not sure I am able to say for certain.

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« Reply #23 on: Thu 02 Jan 2020 09:56 »
And of course there are other ways of paying than draconian punishment. Reparation is a very good way of paying also. Madley's contrition appears genuine. Of course it's always difficult to know whether someone is contrite for the deed or contrite for having been caught and only he will genuinely know that but, re-reading his words, I tend to the former view. Therefore a good form of reparation might have been for Madley to have been publicly contrite, explain why he now understands his action in filming and comment were offensive, apologise and then take up some responsibility for being an advocate for disabled people in sport.

If such a course of action was followed then indeed a price would be paid, in fact being in the public domain admitting that one has behaved appallingly and seeking to make amends is a fair price and it would mean that all of Madley's experience as a senior referee would not be lost to football.

There is a view that only severe punishment can rightly express society's outrage, I think it is all more nuanced than that.
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« Reply #24 on: Thu 02 Jan 2020 10:21 »
Im disabled myself Reflector and I have to say I'm not insulted by what he did because it was self depreciation not an attack on someone else. I have a back injury from 1997 that has seen a major degeneration of my spine, particularly over the last 10 years where I have now all but lost my mobility altogether. I can no longer even stand up unaided. Walking I have my little old granny frame (as I call it) with wheels and seriously a snail could make it the whole way around a football pitch in the time it would take me to shuffle from the tech area to the byline, I understand self depreciation because I do it all the time. I have one particular friend who will often give me a lift when I need to go anywhere, he's 78. Every single time he comes round to pick me up he puts the kettle on & tells me to get going to the car & he'll give me a cuppa head start, I laugh and leave him to his cuppa while I shuffle off to the car, he's not actually beaten me to the car yet but I never have to wait long! It is a joke between us, he's not discriminating against me because I am disabled. As a pensioner he no longer works but I'd never dream of saying to his boss if he had one that he was behaving in a discriminatory manner especially over a long standing self deprecating joke. Trust me in 6 secs of video of me you'd have a hard time ascertaining if I was walking or just standing - I'd not move a whole lot in that short a time!

This explanation around the context, a suspension and 'appropriate training' would have, imo, been accepted by the majority 18 months ago, it was stupid yes but in the day and age where our Prime Minister and other politicians say far worse things on an almost daily basis, often with malice, and no-one seems to bat an eye about it I feel the punishment far outweighed the crime.

It does however remain a lesson as to how quick you can lose everything you have worked for & I'm glad that Bobby has decided to use it to advise & show younger referees just how careful you need to be.


I'm also registered disabled with walking difficulties.

I agree with you and am not insulted by this in any way.
I accept the recipient may have been and some form of discipline was required but to say what happened was disproportionate is an under statement.

I wish Bobby every success in the future.

Given this has happened it would not surprise me in the least to see/hear him as a pundit on our screens/radio in the near future.
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« Reply #25 on: Thu 02 Jan 2020 13:49 »
On a personal level I feel sorry for him, and can't imagine what it feels like to have everything you've worked for taken away over something entirely within your control. I hope he can move on with his life and be happy in whatever he does in the future.

He’s just been named on the Referee list for the 2020 PostNord-ligaen season (the third tier of football in Norway) - when most officials would have to start in the 7th or 8th Divisions (the equivalent of local Parks Football).

He will be a good asset for the Norwegian FA as he’s already been going around giving talks at the various County Refereeing Conventions the winter just gone and talking to younger officials in aid to their development (he made several visits to the Norway Cup in the summer to do this - as well as meeting the English Referee cohort that go there every year) - seems as if he’s adjusted to life in Norway very well
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« Reply #26 on: Thu 02 Jan 2020 16:53 »
On a personal level I feel sorry for him, and can't imagine what it feels like to have everything you've worked for taken away over something entirely within your control. I hope he can move on with his life and be happy in whatever he does in the future.

He’s just been named on the Referee list for the 2020 PostNord-ligaen season (the third tier of football in Norway) - when most officials would have to start in the 7th or 8th Divisions (the equivalent of local Parks Football).

He will be a good asset for the Norwegian FA as he’s already been going around giving talks at the various County Refereeing Conventions the winter just gone and talking to younger officials in aid to their development (he made several visits to the Norway Cup in the summer to do this - as well as meeting the English Referee cohort that go there every year) - seems as if he’s adjusted to life in Norway very well

Perhaps Norway will be the place where he finds redemption. I hope so.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu 02 Jan 2020 22:54 »
It's a very honest account and I suspect something quite cathartic for him to have put the facts in the public domain. What he did with filming the disabled person was crass and stupid. I draw these conclusions.

Shibboleths and totems change and if you are deemed to have transgressed current orthodoxies then the price you pay is indeed huge and very far reaching and perhaps, perhaps, seems disproportionate. If it were a first misdemeanour of this kind I would have expected a warning, a suspension and some mandatory Equality and Disability Awareness training. One would need to see his Contract as to whether such an eventuality was spelled out in the case of such a transgression.

Trust no-one with information or comments you wouldn't want broadcast on the 6 o clock News. Vengefulness is a pretty base human emotion and professionally I have seen the result, first hand, of such score settling when relationships break down.

Social media is a very, very dangerous tool. I avoid it like the proverbial plague. An honorable exception is RTR of course which is brilliantly moderated. Does this count as social media? Forgive my ignorance of definitions of popular culture.

I am grateful that I have never achieved celebrity status in my chosen field. It might massage the ego for a bit but it is a terrible burden to carry.


I am sure Madley needs no convincing as to his foolishness. He has paid the highest of prices for it. I wish him well in his future life and hope it is not blighted by regrets but rather marked by new achievements.

Wonderfully put, Whistleblower.

I'll admit I disliked Bobby Madley as a referee but I do feel he has been shabbily treated here, from several directions, and I suspect he himself has probably done more to aid the disabled than most of those sitting in judgement on him.

Using a short clip of film as a prop for a cheap self-deprecating joke seems in poor taste and possibly an invasion of privacy but for me discrimination is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, disability or sex.

I see the discrimination card played regularly and often far from correctly, with some authorities not brave enough to see it.

Whilst the Political Correctness bandwagon rumbles on, organisations are so keen to be making a  huge stand over perceived discrimination I sometimes wonder what they are trying to hide.

I wish him well in the future.
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« Reply #28 on: Fri 03 Jan 2020 10:33 »
Here is a link from an interview in a Norwegian newspaper. It more or less says the same.

https://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/i/Ad9Bax/pl-dommer-avsloerer-hvorfor-han-fikk-sparken-har-vaert-mental-tortur-for-meg

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« Reply #29 on: Fri 10 Jan 2020 13:57 »
There will be an interview with Bobby Madley on Football Focus tomorrow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51055596
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