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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #15 on: Wed 05 May 2021 14:48 »
One point from DublinRef's post I would highlight is:
"This is the great challenge of refereeing high difficulty matches at the very top level and while Kuipers didn't ever let the game get totally out of control, his poor anticipation of the rising tension in the middle stage of the game, backed him into a corner towards the end".

An excellent comment and highlighting again his earlier point whether the referee's prime role in this sort of game is to strictly apply the Laws or to seek to manage proceedings for the greater good of the game.
A dilemma not just at this level.  Even at my lowly level I am always mindful of which camp the day's Observer falls into. 

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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #16 on: Wed 05 May 2021 16:47 »
Reading that PSG are demanding a UEFA investigation because they allege that the referee used foul and abusive language to two of their players.
What happened to the idea that what happens on the field stays on the field?

I suppose that they will be putting this all over social media before we know where we are, even if only to make up for the blank out over the weekend.
What the heck is happening to football at this level? It is like squabbling schoolchildren.
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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #17 on: Wed 05 May 2021 18:42 »
Reading that PSG are demanding a UEFA investigation because they allege that the referee used foul and abusive language to two of their players.
What happened to the idea that what happens on the field stays on the field?

I suppose that they will be putting this all over social media before we know where we are, even if only to make up for the blank out over the weekend.
What the heck is happening to football at this level? It is like squabbling schoolchildren.


What delicate little flowers the players of PSG are; or more likely just very sore losers. Don't know about Kuipers' language, they should have come across Gordon Hill or John Key in their pomp.
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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #18 on: Wed 05 May 2021 19:10 »
Reading that PSG are demanding a UEFA investigation because they allege that the referee used foul and abusive language to two of their players.
What happened to the idea that what happens on the field stays on the field?

I suppose that they will be putting this all over social media before we know where we are, even if only to make up for the blank out over the weekend.
What the heck is happening to football at this level? It is like squabbling schoolchildren.

It was all over social media last night.

I don't suppose either of the little darlings mentioned how many times they swore at him or any other ref this season.  If it is true and the players are crying about it then perhaps they should stop and have a look in the mirror at their own behaviour/conduct & clean up their potty mouths. Funny how they consider it acceptable industrial language when they are dishing it out
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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #19 on: Wed 05 May 2021 19:19 »
In fairness now the way PSG carried on at stages of the game, I wouldn't blame the officials for using language. I just felt that he wasn't his normal excellent self. How Fernandinio didn't see at least yellow in the game was baffling.

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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #20 on: Wed 05 May 2021 20:38 »
All i will say is why is it ok for players to swear at refs when the ref can't to them. Like seriously, grow up
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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #21 on: Wed 05 May 2021 20:47 »
In fairness now the way PSG carried on at stages of the game, I wouldn't blame the officials for using language. I just felt that he wasn't his normal excellent self. How Fernandinio didn't see at least yellow in the game was baffling.
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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #22 on: Wed 05 May 2021 22:39 »
All i will say is why is it ok for players to swear at refs when the ref can't to them. Like seriously, grow up

I agree but we are meant to hold ourselves to higher standards than the players.
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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #23 on: Wed 05 May 2021 23:21 »
All i will say is why is it ok for players to swear at refs when the ref can't to them. Like seriously, grow up

I agree but we are meant to hold ourselves to higher standards than the players.

As I said before, it should be a case of what happens or is said on  the field should remain on the field. The only exception I would make is if a racist remark is made then it should be followed up, however, language between players and officials -----they are complaining about something which you will hear on any street in the UK, the Netherlands, France or wherever and often said by children, never mind football players or officials.

I agree that officials are meant to hold to higher standards than players, however, officials are not saints and the way that PSG players were acting last night, I think that Meneer Kuipers was very restrained if that was all he said. I wonder if he said it in the Dutch language?
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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #24 on: Thu 06 May 2021 09:05 »
Reading that PSG are demanding a UEFA investigation because they allege that the referee used foul and abusive language to two of their players.
What happened to the idea that what happens on the field stays on the field?

I suppose that they will be putting this all over social media before we know where we are, even if only to make up for the blank out over the weekend.
What the heck is happening to football at this level? It is like squabbling schoolchildren.


What delicate little flowers the players of PSG are; or more likely just very sore losers. Don't know about Kuipers' language, they should have come across Gordon Hill or John Key in their pomp.

Or Dave Axcell!

I'm no prude but he made a few comments that even surprised me at times.
Great company though........

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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #25 on: Thu 06 May 2021 09:37 »
I find it fascinating how opinions can vary over a referee's performance.  Descriptions have varied from very poor to outstanding and excellent.
DublinRef offered "not a disaster" but "one of his poorer performances".  Is "disappointing" a suitable adjective?  For my part, I would label it "decent" but by no means perfect - and not just because of the handball errors.

One point from DublinRef's post I would highlight is:
"This is the great challenge of refereeing high difficulty matches at the very top level and while Kuipers didn't ever let the game get totally out of control, his poor anticipation of the rising tension in the middle stage of the game, backed him into a corner towards the end".

An excellent comment and highlighting again his earlier point whether the referee's prime role in this sort of game is to strictly apply the Laws or to seek to manage proceedings for the greater good of the game.  A dilemma referees like Graham Poll and Mark Clattenburg faced in the PL on occasions in the past, not always answered successfully some would argue.   

Not seen any view from Halsey or Hackett yet but I wouldn't be surprised if Kuiper's performance didn't split opinion among our current SG1 referees. 

A good debate though and contributions appreciated.

Thank you, Ref Fan, for your kind remarks about my post. I think you make an interesting point, on this website and another I have seen very differing opinions on Mr.Kuiper's performance. I guess it comes down to what type of performance you are looking for from a referee, taking a broad view Kuipers kept the game under control, kept as many players on the pitch as possible and didn't get overly involved. On a more technical level one could find many mistakes but I suggest that from a broader perspective one could assess the performance as satisfactory.

Indeed it would be very interesting to see how UEFA assess this performance. For me the mistakes on a technical level and even in terms of IMO under punishing some serious fouls cannot be ignored in view of the overall outcome. I am looking forward to seeing the style of refereeing at the upcoming EURO, in tournament football I always think we get a better idea of the current refereeing philosophy UEFA want applied.

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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #26 on: Thu 06 May 2021 12:07 »
This bugs me every time it happens. Now I was not out on the pitch but I would bet a pint (schooner in Wollongong) that players have told Kuipers to F@#$ off during this game. Yet when the referee controls the game by not going to cards to keep players on the field they complain. Same happened to Stuart Dougal in Scotland.
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Re: Bjorn Kuipers - Man City v PSG
« Reply #27 on: Thu 06 May 2021 16:19 »
This bugs me every time it happens. Now I was not out on the pitch but I would bet a pint (schooner in Wollongong) that players have told Kuipers to F@#$ off during this game. Yet when the referee controls the game by not going to cards to keep players on the field they complain. Same happened to Stuart Dougal in Scotland.
One can only hope that Pochettino's pitch invasion will have been noted and sanctions will follow.