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RCG

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Best international panel (?)
« on: Tue 15 Dec 2020 11:54 »
Talk of FIFA badges got me thinking. Back when I was getting into refereeing our FIFA panel was: Courtney, Hackett, Midgeley, Worrall, Lewis, Gunn and Hill.

Has there been a better 7?

Strength in depth being key

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Whistleblower

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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #1 on: Tue 15 Dec 2020 13:55 »
Well, the inclusion of Joe Worrall would boost any group into the very highest category ! ;)

I am not really qualified to compare but the era of the 1970s which saw Englishmen Jack Taylor, Pat Partridge, David Smith, Norman Burtenshaw, Bob Matthewson holding FIFA badges was none too shabby either. It may be that they weren't all concurrent holders of the badge. Without my Upton I cannot check and my copy of Upton seems to have got mislaid. I suspect dirty work at the crossroads from Mrs Whistleblower but she avers her innocence of the crime of theft.
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #2 on: Tue 15 Dec 2020 14:03 »
Think the panel in 2003/2004 was very strong - Poll, Durkin, Barber Bennett and Halsey, with Webb, Clattenburg and Dean coming onto the scene.
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #3 on: Tue 15 Dec 2020 15:43 »
On their day, Dagnall, Finney and McCabe were top-notch FIFA refs, but McCabe (in particular) did not acquit himself well at the World Cup finals in England in 1966.
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #4 on: Tue 15 Dec 2020 16:05 »
In recent memory, 2006 must have been pretty strong - Poll, Webb, Clattenburg, Atkinson, Halsey, Dean all on the list I think.
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #5 on: Tue 15 Dec 2020 20:00 »
Hackett ambled around the pitch in slow motion....

I agree with ReadingFan... that certainly is a strong line up... plus Wiley was around albeit without a badge.

Oh and Grandad Walton....
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #6 on: Tue 15 Dec 2020 20:51 »
Hackett ambled around the pitch in slow motion....

I agree with ReadingFan... that certainly is a strong line up... plus Wiley was around albeit without a badge.

Oh and Grandad Walton....

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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #7 on: Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:07 »
Just in case any of you were wondering, and I realise it may have spoilt your Christmas remaining in a state of uncertainty, that which was lost has been found and I am now in possession of my Upton once more. I have had to exonerate Mrs Whistleblower from all culpability and have offered a full judicial pardon which, strangely enough, doesn't seem to ameliorate her sense of faux hurt at being wrongly ( as she claims ) accused. A trip to the jewellers may have to be undertaken. Quite how the volume managed to find its way down the back of a bookcase i am not sure but no watertight case can be made with a lack of hard evidence.

So I have been able to look up the 1970s refereeing luminaries I mentioned in a previous post.  The first years of the 1970s saw all these referees active at the highest level but as Upton does not list FIFA designation ( an appendix project anyone ? ) I cannot be sure that they all were on the FIFA List at  the time time but I think it's highly likely that they were.
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #8 on: Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:57 »
Whistleblower: "Just in case any of you were wondering, and I realise it may have spoilt your Christmas remaining in a state of uncertainty, that which was lost has been found and I am now in possession of my Upton once more. I have had to exonerate Mrs Whistleblower from all culpability and have offered a full judicial pardon which, strangely enough, doesn't seem to ameliorate her sense of faux hurt at being wrongly ( as she claims ) accused. A trip to the jewellers may have to be undertaken. Quite how the volume managed to find its way down the back of a bookcase i am not sure but no watertight case can be made with a lack of hard evidence".

So you're not buying her a copy of Jeff Winter's "Who's the B*****d in the Black" as recompense then WB?!  ;D
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #9 on: Wed 16 Dec 2020 17:00 »
Whistleblower: "Just in case any of you were wondering, and I realise it may have spoilt your Christmas remaining in a state of uncertainty, that which was lost has been found and I am now in possession of my Upton once more. I have had to exonerate Mrs Whistleblower from all culpability and have offered a full judicial pardon which, strangely enough, doesn't seem to ameliorate her sense of faux hurt at being wrongly ( as she claims ) accused. A trip to the jewellers may have to be undertaken. Quite how the volume managed to find its way down the back of a bookcase i am not sure but no watertight case can be made with a lack of hard evidence".

So you're not buying her a copy of Jeff Winter's "Who's the B*****d in the Black" as recompense then WB?!  ;D



AT  I have been known to skate on thin ice in my time...but not that thin !  Mrs W did once pick up and give a cursory reading of Referee !   David Elleray's autobiography which she came upon in the house but I think it was more Oxford and Harrow which interested her rather than Elleray's exploits on the pitch. A old friend of hers was a contemporary of Elleray at Hertford College, though this friend ( nor a footballing type at all ) claims barely to remember Elleray from their time together there.
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #10 on: Wed 16 Dec 2020 20:06 »
I agree with the comment about Joe Worrall

Sadly though the inclusion of Keith Hackett has the precise opposite effect
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #11 on: Wed 16 Dec 2020 20:16 »
I agree with the comment about Joe Worrall

Sadly though the inclusion of Keith Hackett has the precise opposite effect

Never was a truer word spoken.

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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #12 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 15:12 »
I agree with the comment about Joe Worrall

Sadly though the inclusion of Keith Hackett has the precise opposite effect

Never was a truer word spoken.
In the words of Mr Gilbert, "What, never?"
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #13 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 15:39 »
I agree with the comment about Joe Worrall

Sadly though the inclusion of Keith Hackett has the precise opposite effect

Never was a truer word spoken.
In the words of Mr Gilbert, "What, never?"

Well, hardly ever.
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Re: Best international panel (?)
« Reply #14 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:11 »
Think the panel in 2003/2004 was very strong - Poll, Durkin, Barber Bennett and Halsey, with Webb, Clattenburg and Dean coming onto the scene.

I have to say I was never as impressed as some were with Graham Barber. My recollection is that he was quite understated in his style, perhaps not unlike Pawson in that respect, although that wasn't really the reason for my lukewarm view.

And I can't say I was a fan of Steve Bennett.  I know he was highly respected by many but he came across to me as over-officious.  I read somewhere that he was good at explaining decisions to players but he didn't seem to have a great rapport with them whenever I saw him.  Perhaps just a hint that he was a referee who knew the laws but didn't always have a good feel for the game.

Of others mentioned from earlier decades, Taylor, Finney, Partridge, Courtney, Worrall  were particular favourites whose names I was always pleased to see on Manchester United programmes. Then there was Neil Midgely, mainly seen on tv as I'm not sure if he could referee United in those days, except perhaps for the derby against City.