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Benteke's sending off
« on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 09:02 »
Caught this on MOTD last night and I could only agree with the pundits. David Coote, an extremely average referee at best in my view, has made two poor decisions. It appears that the authorities are determined to make football a completely non contact sport which is ridiculous. I saw little wrong with either of Benteke's aerial challenges. I consider Roy Hodgson to be a fair minded and reasonable man and I could only sympathise with his view when he said the decisions were "very hard to take".

Coote, for me, is typical of the modern breed of referee who know the rules ( or at least a very draconian interpretation of them ) but doesn't understand the game at all.

Referring to another thread about FIFA referees of past eras, it is staggering that Coote now wears a FIFA badge. Has any currency ever been so devalued?

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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #1 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 11:40 »
I saw little wrong with either of Benteke's aerial challenges.
Maybe so but having been cautioned for the first one Benteke was naive in the extreme to do the same again.
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #2 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 12:21 »
I saw little wrong with either of Benteke's aerial challenges.
Maybe so but having been cautioned for the first one Benteke was naive in the extreme to do the same again.

So what are you suggesting?  Benteke should have stopped competing for balls in the air; he should have jumped with arms glued to his side; or his Manager should have subbed him?
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #3 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:32 »
Being deficient in my understanding of terms for figures of speech, whenever I use the phrase "(shot) narrowly wide" I am uncertain as to whether that is an example of oxymoron or of paradox. I am hoping that The Sage of St Albans, having coined the phrase "extremely average", will be able to put me right on this.
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #4 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:38 »
Coote has been frankly appalling all season, whether it be on the field or sitting in Stockley Park behind a tv monitor.

As WB correctly states, FIFA badges seem to be guaranteed for anyone who is eligible for one when promoted from SG2, irrespective of how good they are.





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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #5 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:47 »
Being deficient in my understanding of terms for figures of speech, whenever I use the phrase "(shot) narrowly wide" I am uncertain as to whether that is an example of oxymoron or of paradox. I am hoping that The Sage of St Albans, having coined the phrase "extremely average", will be able to put me right on this.



As an undergraduate I remember my Tutor taking me to task for incorrectly describing something as a paradox. He told me,  a logical impropriety remains a logical impropriety  even, indeed especially, when it is re-christened a paradox. So I am not the best person to be advising as to the difference between that which is paradoxical and that which is oxymoronic. I would say 'narrowly wide' is an oxymoron as is 'extremely average' .

As to the term Sage, I'm not sure I really know my onions enough to be called that.
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #6 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 17:00 »
Thanks for the response - and for what it's worth I agree. Purely as to the matter of figures of speech, you understand, not as to your knowledge of the allium genus.

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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #7 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 17:13 »
Coote has been frankly appalling all season, whether it be on the field or sitting in Stockley Park behind a tv monitor.

As WB correctly states, FIFA badges seem to be guaranteed for anyone who is eligible for one when promoted from SG2, irrespective of how good they are.

When you remember that the excellent  Alan Wiley never made FIFA it compounds the injustice even more. Enough said
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #8 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 18:48 »


As WB correctly states, FIFA badges seem to be guaranteed for anyone who is eligible for one when promoted from SG2, irrespective of how good they are.

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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #9 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 20:27 »
I agree with Hendo but unfortunately Alan Wiley was already "too" old when he got on Prem List. I believe it was under 37 to get on FiFA. Grandad Walton was also (way) too old 😊

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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #10 on: Thu 17 Dec 2020 22:10 »
I agree with Hendo but unfortunately Alan Wiley was already "too" old when he got on Prem List. I believe it was under 37 to get on FiFA. Grandad Walton was also (way) too old 😊


As presumably was Kevin Friend
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #11 on: Fri 18 Dec 2020 00:26 »
David Coote, an extremely average referee at best in my view, has made two poor decisions. It appears that the authorities are determined to make football a completely non contact sport which is ridiculous. I saw little wrong with either of Benteke's aerial challenges.

Coote, for me, is typical of the modern breed of referee who know the rules ( or at least a very draconian interpretation of them ) but doesn't understand the game at all.


Ultimately this comes down to the interpretation given from the higher-ups at FIFA/UEFA. In AFC (my confed), we have been told that contact to the head with an arm will always result in a caution at minimum to the offending player.

In both situations Benteke has jumped, and showing a disregard for the safety of his opponent has used his arms as a tool and made contact with the opponents face. Coote was positioned perfectly in both incidents to be able to correctly adjudge both situations.

Match officials can only be as 'good' as the interpretations at that level allow, and for me, Coote has made two very good decisions based on the interpretations being taught.
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #12 on: Fri 18 Dec 2020 09:42 »
David Coote, an extremely average referee at best in my view, has made two poor decisions. It appears that the authorities are determined to make football a completely non contact sport which is ridiculous. I saw little wrong with either of Benteke's aerial challenges.

Coote, for me, is typical of the modern breed of referee who know the rules ( or at least a very draconian interpretation of them ) but doesn't understand the game at all.


Ultimately this comes down to the interpretation given from the higher-ups at FIFA/UEFA. In AFC (my confed), we have been told that contact to the head with an arm will always result in a caution at minimum to the offending player.

In both situations Benteke has jumped, and showing a disregard for the safety of his opponent has used his arms as a tool and made contact with the opponents face. Coote was positioned perfectly in both incidents to be able to correctly adjudge both situations.

Match officials can only be as 'good' as the interpretations at that level allow, and for me, Coote has made two very good decisions based on the interpretations being taught.


As it seems to be pretty anatomically impossible to jump without ones arms coming out to give lift ( unless it is a sort of 'Riverdance' hop which is useless for attempting to win the ball ) then it would appear that jumping for the ball will now gradually be eliminated by the Lawmakers. I rather object. Why instead don't they invent another non-contact sport, give it a new name and let football remain as it is.

Whether or not Coote got these decisions right under current interpretations, as I still have grave doubts on the truth of that, I remain of the opinion that he is an average performer and cannot hold a candle to many of those in the present and the past who have the honour of wearing a FIFA Badge.
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #13 on: Fri 18 Dec 2020 09:45 »
One could also make a good case of saying that tackling is potentially showing a disregard for the safety of an opponent because sometimes tackles, even although not fouls, can result in horrific injuries. So, the logical outcome of this reasoning is to penalise all bodily contact in this new game which we might call Passball.
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Re: Benteke's sending off
« Reply #14 on: Fri 18 Dec 2020 10:52 »
I've only just caught up with the highlights of this one on MOTD. As a Palace fan, I have some sympathy for Benteke and Hodgson, there was clearly no intent in either instance, and I imagine that a straight red would have been issued if intent had been noted in either case. However I can also see where Coote was coming from, given the current laws and interpretation. Ref Fan - you wondered whether Benteke should have been 'subbed' after the first yellow card? Well yes, that was a possibility, we've seen it done before. But certainly the coaching staff at Selhurst Park need to work on this issue with Benteke - as they have had to do generally with 'hands-up' in free kick walls and so on - otherwise he is going to have problems in the future.   
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