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BELOW SG
« on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 18:50 »
As a Sunderland fan [ and an extremely passionate one at that] two successive relegations have taken it out of me and left a permanent scar however the reasons why we are where we are is another story, and whilst I accept it will be seen  I am posting this on the strength of a
decent start to the season I have to say I have been impressed at the standard of refereeing below the SG1/2 we have had.
 Messrs Brooks,Breakspear,Coggins,Backhouse and Busby have all been impressive and whilst Messrs Coggins and Breakspear have had big calls to make both in and not in our favour in general terms they all have looked as if they would not be out of place as SG refs in the future.
 Perhaps others who are or have been referees themselves may disagree I can only comment on what I see.

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« Reply #1 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 19:06 »
I have to admit I rarely had any complaints about referees in our league 1 & 2 days. Sure there were a few bad days at the office but I found the referees more relaxed. I wonder if they feel under less pressure at that level and therefore go out onto the pitch a bit more relaxed and that reflects with better performances?  There is a huge pressure in the PL and quite often for TV games there is an audience of millions, that's a lot of people seeing you make a mistake! You can argue all day long that these guys are professionals and yes they are but they are also human, some will cope better with the pressure than others.

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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #2 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 20:57 »
I await Mr Kettle's arrival with baited breath after reading some of the posts about him over the years. :)

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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #3 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 21:37 »
I notice you haven't had any of my "favourites ' yet. You might want to reconsider in a couple of months.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 22:30 »
I await Mr Kettle's arrival with baited breath after reading some of the posts about him over the years. :)

Kettle is far from the worst efl official he just gets the worst press.

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« Reply #5 on: Tue 28 Aug 2018 09:17 »
Of the referees you mention as having seen, John Brooks is clearly destined for the very top of the game. Of the others, I have only seen John Busby live; he put in a creditable though unspectacular performance in a game which probably did not afford him huge scope to be spectacular.

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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #6 on: Tue 28 Aug 2018 12:40 »
I await Mr Kettle's arrival with baited breath after reading some of the posts about him over the years. :)

Kettle is far from the worst efl official he just gets the worst press.

He's earned that "bad press" with over 15 years of staggering incompetence and ineptitude.

His worst excesses and knee jerk decisions were at their peak around about ten years plus ago and are largely behind him now, leaving just a very poor referee making very poor decisions.
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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #7 on: Wed 29 Aug 2018 18:06 »
I await Mr Kettle's arrival with baited breath after reading some of the posts about him over the years. :)

Kettle is far from the worst efl official he just gets the worst press.

He's earned that "bad press" with over 15 years of staggering incompetence and ineptitude.

His worst excesses and knee jerk decisions were at their peak around about ten years plus ago and are largely behind him now, leaving just a very poor referee making very poor decisions.

Lest we forget the shambles in the Wimbledon v Stevenage game in recent times...classic Kettle.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed 29 Aug 2018 20:11 »
I await Mr Kettle's arrival with baited breath after reading some of the posts about him over the years. :)

Kettle is far from the worst efl official he just gets the worst press.

He's earned that "bad press" with over 15 years of staggering incompetence and ineptitude.

His worst excesses and knee jerk decisions were at their peak around about ten years plus ago and are largely behind him now, leaving just a very poor referee making very poor decisions.

Lest we forget the shambles in the Wimbledon v Stevenage game in recent times...classic Kettle.

Do you mean Wimbledon v Accrington?

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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #9 on: Wed 29 Aug 2018 21:45 »
That’s the one...

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« Reply #10 on: Thu 30 Aug 2018 15:42 »
The one good thing to come from that is Accrington haven't had him since then.

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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #11 on: Mon 03 Sep 2018 23:11 »
As a Sunderland fan [ and an extremely passionate one at that] two successive relegations have taken it out of me and left a permanent scar however the reasons why we are where we are is another story, and whilst I accept it will be seen  I am posting this on the strength of a
decent start to the season I have to say I have been impressed at the standard of refereeing below the SG1/2 we have had.
 Messrs Brooks,Breakspear,Coggins,Backhouse and Busby have all been impressive and whilst Messrs Coggins and Breakspear have had big calls to make both in and not in our favour in general terms they all have looked as if they would not be out of place as SG refs in the future.
 Perhaps others who are or have been referees themselves may disagree I can only comment on what I see.

I'd generally agree with your post but fear you may have fallen foul of the old saying about not speaking too soon.Were you at our match against Oxford at the weekend? I really hope so because I'd love to hear your thoughts on the performance of Mr Mark Heywood. On a positive note I had a clear side on view of the incident which led to Max Power being sent off and despite the fact that a lot of our fans thought it was a harsh decision in my opinion a red card was the right one. Max was nowhere near the ball and it was a cynical challenge so he got what he deserved. However that is the only good thing I could possibly say after witnessing one of the most inept refereeing displays I've seen in many a year. His only consistency was his inconsistency and he really appeared to lose any control very early in the game. I think it speaks volumes when even the opposition manager admits that one of his own players should have been taking an early bath. I sincerely hope this was a one off for Mr Heywood.
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« Reply #12 on: Tue 04 Sep 2018 19:04 »
You do for sure list some of the best officials, Busby/Brooks/Coggins are officials are very good and will progress higher. Breakspear is fine, not the best but fine, and Backhouse I haven't seen so won't form an opinion. Tom Nield has been the best official I have seen this season, on Saturday Pompey vs Argyle. Sarginson, unfortantly, hasn't made anymore friends in Plymouth.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue 04 Sep 2018 21:10 »
As a Sunderland fan [ and an extremely passionate one at that] two successive relegations have taken it out of me and left a permanent scar however the reasons why we are where we are is another story, and whilst I accept it will be seen  I am posting this on the strength of a
decent start to the season I have to say I have been impressed at the standard of refereeing below the SG1/2 we have had.
 Messrs Brooks,Breakspear,Coggins,Backhouse and Busby have all been impressive and whilst Messrs Coggins and Breakspear have had big calls to make both in and not in our favour in general terms they all have looked as if they would not be out of place as SG refs in the future.
 Perhaps others who are or have been referees themselves may disagree I can only comment on what I see.

I'd generally agree with your post but fear you may have fallen foul of the old saying about not speaking too soon.Were you at our match against Oxford at the weekend? I really hope so because I'd love to hear your thoughts on the performance of Mr Mark Heywood. On a positive note I had a clear side on view of the incident which led to Max Power being sent off and despite the fact that a lot of our fans thought it was a harsh decision in my opinion a red card was the right one. Max was nowhere near the ball and it was a cynical challenge so he got what he deserved. However that is the only good thing I could possibly say after witnessing one of the most inept refereeing displays I've seen in many a year. His only consistency was his inconsistency and he really appeared to lose any control very early in the game. I think it speaks volumes when even the opposition manager admits that one of his own players should have been taking an early bath. I sincerely hope this was a one off for Mr Heywood.

The red card against Max Power has been upheld, and having seen the incident on Look North tonight, I can understand why. Cynical is certainly a correct assessment. However, looking back, I recall red cards being overturned for similar cynical challenges although I can't recall players or refs involved. It is good imo that the authorities have chosen to back the ref in this instance. 

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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #14 on: Tue 04 Sep 2018 21:16 »
Regarding Max Power, I read that he had a three game league suspension but also wasn't allowed to play in an additional cup match which seemed a bit strange?