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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #15 on: Tue 04 Sep 2018 21:56 »
Seemingly the FA don't view the Checkatrade trophy as a valid competition to serve suspensions.  So he is suspended for that game, but it doesn't count towards serving his three game ban.

Seems totally bizarre to me, can only assume it is because of the involvement of U23 teams in that competition.

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« Reply #16 on: Tue 04 Sep 2018 23:32 »
Regarding Max Power, I read that he had a three game league suspension but also wasn't allowed to play in an additional cup match which seemed a bit strange?
Possibly seen as a frivolous appeal?

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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #17 on: Wed 05 Sep 2018 00:08 »
Suspended from all football until the ban has been completed. Just happens a non eligible cup match is within the ban period.
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« Reply #18 on: Wed 05 Sep 2018 00:52 »
Regarding Max Power, I read that he had a three game league suspension but also wasn't allowed to play in an additional cup match which seemed a bit strange?
I was under the impression that a fixed 3 match ban applied to the next 3 FIRST TEAM (club) fixtures (other than FIFA/UEFA matches) which could well include an exclusion from any domestic 'cup fixtures' as well as league fixtures.

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Re: BELOW SG
« Reply #19 on: Fri 07 Sep 2018 20:24 »
As a Sunderland fan [ and an extremely passionate one at that] two successive relegations have taken it out of me and left a permanent scar however the reasons why we are where we are is another story, and whilst I accept it will be seen  I am posting this on the strength of a
decent start to the season I have to say I have been impressed at the standard of refereeing below the SG1/2 we have had.
 Messrs Brooks,Breakspear,Coggins,Backhouse and Busby have all been impressive and whilst Messrs Coggins and Breakspear have had big calls to make both in and not in our favour in general terms they all have looked as if they would not be out of place as SG refs in the future.
 Perhaps others who are or have been referees themselves may disagree I can only comment on what I see.

I'd generally agree with your post but fear you may have fallen foul of the old saying about not speaking too soon.Were you at our match against Oxford at the weekend? I really hope so because I'd love to hear your thoughts on the performance of Mr Mark Heywood. On a positive note I had a clear side on view of the incident which led to Max Power being sent off and despite the fact that a lot of our fans thought it was a harsh decision in my opinion a red card was the right one. Max was nowhere near the ball and it was a cynical challenge so he got what he deserved. However that is the only good thing I could possibly say after witnessing one of the most inept refereeing displays I've seen in many a year. His only consistency was his inconsistency and he really appeared to lose any control very early in the game. I think it speaks volumes when even the opposition manager admits that one of his own players should have been taking an early bath. I sincerely hope this was a one off for Mr Heywood.

 I don't miss many games,but I did miss the Oxford game due to a family holiday planned in advance.
 From what I saw [ and speaking as a fan only] I had no complaints about Max Power's RC, but I just cannot get my head around why the extra game at the beginning was added.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri 07 Sep 2018 21:41 »
It isn't an extra game, but rather down to the competition.  It is since the Checkatrade trophy allows under 21 teams from PL and FL teams.  A sent off player, or one who reaches caution thresholds, is suspended until his team has played x number of 1st team games, non-first team games don't count.  If they allowed Checkatrade games to count, you could have a situation where, let's say for arguments sake, Gary Cahill is sent off for Chelsea in a Premier League game.  Chelsea could argue that he would have played in that Checkatrade game and that as a result that should count as one of his suspension games, which is clearly a nonsense.


Unfortunately this disadvantages the lower league teams who don't have a reserve team in the competition, as for them the Checkatrade Trophy is a first team game but that first team game doesn't count towards the suspension.  The more sensible approach would have been to say that it doesn't count for suspension serving purposes for teams that have a reserve team in the competition, but it does for those that have their 1st team in it.     
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« Reply #21 on: Sat 08 Sep 2018 00:00 »
Surely the sensible thing would just be it either counts or it doesn't count?

They seem to have gone to a system whereby discipline is related just to one competition (so 5 Premier League yellow cards will no longer result in a cup suspension - cup competitions are handled in a similar way to the Champions League/World Cup.)

If a Tottenham or Liverpool player get sent off next weekend and are given a 3 match suspension then they'll still be allowed to play in the Champions League!

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« Reply #22 on: Sat 08 Sep 2018 09:18 »
Remember that you aren't suspended for a certain number of games.  Rather you are suspended until such time as your first team have completed x number of qualifying domestic games, there's a subtle difference.  Therefore, even though the Checkatrade doesn't count towards your suspension, you can't play in it as your first team haven't completed x number of domestic games.   


Comparing it to the Champion's League doesn't work s that isn't a domestic competition and suspensions are handled by a different authority.  As I said before though, it needs a rule change as it is unfair on the lower league teams who enter their first teams as opposed to Premier League and Championship teams who put their U21s in.
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