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Author Topic: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham  (Read 618 times)

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ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« on: Mon 06 Mar 2023 22:31 »
Missed a clear 2nd yellow card in my opinion.

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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #1 on: Mon 06 Mar 2023 22:44 »
Missed a clear 2nd yellow card in my opinion.
Have to agree Lukic should have gone just before half time. Another case of managing a situation in order to keep 22 players on the field i think as per orders from above. At this rate we may as well amend the rules to state three yellows equals red instead of two.

Great spot by Taylor for the Brentford penalty.

Overall a good performance from Taylor, just the debate around the Lukic incident just before half time.
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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #2 on: Mon 06 Mar 2023 22:48 »
Very hard to disagree with that opinion. Clear trip around the half way line by a Fulham player as a Brentford player broke forward. Free kick awarded but no card.

There was another incident a few minutes before where Toney in attempting to kick the ball missed and kicked an opponent, who was sliding in, in the face. A difficult one for Taylor who decided not to issue a card.


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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #3 on: Mon 06 Mar 2023 23:07 »
Missed a clear 2nd yellow card in my opinion.
Have to agree Lukic should have gone just before half time. Another case of managing a situation in order to keep 22 players on the field i think as per orders from above. At this rate we may as well amend the rules to state three yellows equals red instead of two.

Great spot by Taylor for the Brentford penalty.

Overall a good performance from Taylor, just the debate around the Lukic incident just before half time.

Which apparently was similar to the one that Kav didn't give for us on Saturday I have seen but I haven't seen it to comment on it

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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #5 on: Tue 07 Mar 2023 10:24 »
Missed a clear 2nd yellow card in my opinion.
Have to agree Lukic should have gone just before half time. Another case of managing a situation in order to keep 22 players on the field i think as per orders from above. At this rate we may as well amend the rules to state three yellows equals red instead of two.

Great spot by Taylor for the Brentford penalty.

Overall a good performance from Taylor, just the debate around the Lukic incident just before half time.

My general feeling is that it can be slightly 'easy' to win points on RateTheRef by just 'not being noticed' as a referee, but this seems a contrary case - I thought Taylor displayed a really excellent level of officiating last night and should be much praised for it! Easily assuming that PGMOL will be happy that Lukić didn't walk, then I think it was a faultless performance: very focused, always ready to step in and not just passive, wise card and foul choices. Keeping up such a level, I think Taylor could easily ref the CL Final in Istanbul this season.
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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #6 on: Tue 07 Mar 2023 11:21 »
Because I rate Taylor so highly, this was a poor performance in my opinion:

Lukic HAS to walk, that is a clear yellow card and had he not been booked I cannot see any way in which a yellow card would have not been shown. Yes, I do believe it was a genuine attempt to play the ball (which may have saved him), but Brentford were on the break in a dangerous situation.

Further action should've been considered with Toney's kick to Lukic's face. I accept there wasn't necessarily intent but he was late and it endangered the opponent. Maybe VAR could've asked Taylor to take another look with a view to SFP. Had that happened and Taylor then stuck to his original decision I would've been happy with that.

At one point, Wissa (?) jumped into Willian in the Brentford area and went down holding his head/face and Taylor awarded a free-kick to Brentford, a very poor decision. If it was a foul (which it wasn't) it would've been a penalty to Fulham. I don't really want to single out Brentford for the 'dark-arts' as I know that Fulham have used them this season, but there was definitely a few occasions where free-kick were bought (which Taylor fell for), the penalty included, an extremely soft decision. It was annoying because Taylor on the other hand showed a firm and correct approach in awarding Willian a yellow card for simulation.


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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #7 on: Tue 07 Mar 2023 12:02 »
I don't think it was a poor performance but neither was it faultless as Mikael suggests imo.

To not produce a 2nd YC for Lukic is one of those incidents that could easily rebound on a referee.  Suppose Lukic had gone on to score a crucial goal. OK, it didn't happen but it has happened in some games.
Because Anthony Taylor is a top class referee and did manage the game well overall, should it give him more leeway than lesser referees would be allowed?  Would there be more criticism if it was say Peter Bankes or John Brooks?
If the word from above is not to issue a second yellow card if a referee can think of any conceivable reason for not doing so, also poses dangers.  Will players get the message and be prepared to commit cautionable fouls despite being already on a YC. And if they do get sent off, up will go the cry of inconsistency.  Then again, what will be the impact at lower levels of refereeing?

I was surprised there was no YC for the challenge on Lukic shortly before his foul.  There was some similarity to the McTominay challenge against Liverpool.  At least he got the ball, but nevertheless it could be considered reckless because of the follow-though and I felt the YC was correct.  In this case, it was accidental (as the commentators kept bleating) and Toney was quick to apologise, but the way he went into the challenge was in my view reckless and the injury to Lukic's cheek obvious.

Wasn't sure about the penalty as contact wasn't clear from the angle I saw, but to me the way the offender moved away outside the penalty area and his expression while his team mates were complaining suggested he knew what he'd done.

Full marks to AT for spotting Willian's  attempt to con him.

 
 

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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #8 on: Tue 07 Mar 2023 12:50 »
Clear Second Yellow for me.

Taylor is an excellent referee most of the time however he has a disaster in him. The FA Cup final the other year and Spurs vs Chelsea and Liverpool vs Man City this year are examples of that. I doubt he will get the Champions League final. Marciniak/ Makkelie will.

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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #9 on: Tue 07 Mar 2023 13:32 »
I doubt he will get the Champions League final. Marciniak/ Makkelie will.

Rosetti loves an 'easy' (short-term focused) choice and assuming he keeps his WC form, Marciniak is the obvious candidate. But, IMO, it would be silly to leave the Pole with really nothing to achieve having made it 'all' in six months(!). Remember, the Polish official only refereed one CL SF (rather easy-going Liverpool vs. Villarreal) and never an EL final in his career either. So it would be motivationally unwise IMO, see Kassai/Clattenburg.

Makkelie would be the deserved choice having been denied it last year by Paris SG. However his form is actually quite weak, and at the moment he presents with as a 'solid' Elite option and not really more than that, tbh. Tonight should be a decent barometer for his 'shape'. How much -- a) Paris is still an issue even if PSG don't qualify or b) Roberto feels bad and is happy to give Makkelie the final despite not being at the top -- remains to be seen I guess.

This leaves Taylor, four years older than Makkelie and very safe pair of hands. It seems he has returned from Morocco in very good form. There is a decent chance there will be no English team involved this team. He never 'beat' R16 at EURO (yet) and his WC ended after two group matches. Rosetti really trusts him. I think there are many good arguments in favour of Taylor-Beswick-Nunn controlling the CL final this season. Let's see how it all pans out!
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Re: ANTHONY TAYLOR - Brentford vs Fulham
« Reply #10 on: Tue 07 Mar 2023 17:51 »
A caution there would have been for stopping a promising attack, and I don't think it did due to the very heavy touch the attacker took before being fouled.  Unless you say that it is reckless, and I don't think it was personally, it isn't a mandatory caution.