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Author Topic: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd  (Read 1115 times)

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Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 08:35 »
A very good performance by Marriner personally I think he had got better in the last few years his performances have been very good and rarely attracts controversy

Yesterday’s game good fitness his foul detection was spot on and played some good advantages, for the Pogba goal I attach no blame to Marriner, and if I’m correct in my assumption that the AR Simon Long would have have been looking out for a possible offside soon as the ball left Henderson’s foot therefore it would have been just unlucky that he missed it go out therefore if that is indeed the case I attach no blame to Simon Long either

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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #1 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 11:31 »
A very good performance by Marriner personally I think he had got better in the last few years his performances have been very good and rarely attracts controversy

Yesterday’s game good fitness his foul detection was spot on and played some good advantages, for the Pogba goal I attach no blame to Marriner, and if I’m correct in my assumption that the AR Simon Long would have have been looking out for a possible offside soon as the ball left Henderson’s foot therefore it would have been just unlucky that he missed it go out therefore if that is indeed the case I attach no blame to Simon Long either

He physically could not be looking in two places - which were at a 90 degree angle to each other - at the same time.

I am sure if Andre had taken the word of the West Ham United manager and awarded the throw-in, OGS and his crew would have been cool with that ..... :o
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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #2 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 12:48 »
A very good performance by Marriner personally I think he had got better in the last few years his performances have been very good and rarely attracts controversy

Yesterday’s game good fitness his foul detection was spot on and played some good advantages, for the Pogba goal I attach no blame to Marriner, and if I’m correct in my assumption that the AR Simon Long would have have been looking out for a possible offside soon as the ball left Henderson’s foot therefore it would have been just unlucky that he missed it go out therefore if that is indeed the case I attach no blame to Simon Long either

He physically could be looking in two places - which were at a 90 degree angle to each other - at the same time.

I am sure if Andre had taken the word of the West Ham United manager and awarded the throw-in, OGS and his crew would have been cool with that ..... :o 

Surely a linesman is there to see if the ball goes out of play......it was blatantly out of play.....I used to run the line at semi pro level and would be horrified if I missed that. Where was var when you actually needed it...........rather than getting involved when you don't??


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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #3 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 13:04 »
A very good performance by Marriner personally I think he had got better in the last few years his performances have been very good and rarely attracts controversy

Yesterday’s game good fitness his foul detection was spot on and played some good advantages, for the Pogba goal I attach no blame to Marriner, and if I’m correct in my assumption that the AR Simon Long would have have been looking out for a possible offside soon as the ball left Henderson’s foot therefore it would have been just unlucky that he missed it go out therefore if that is indeed the case I attach no blame to Simon Long either

He physically could be looking in two places - which were at a 90 degree angle to each other - at the same time.

I am sure if Andre had taken the word of the West Ham United manager and awarded the throw-in, OGS and his crew would have been cool with that ..... :o 

Surely a linesman is there to see if the ball goes out of play......it was blatantly out of play.....I used to run the line at semi pro level and would be horrified if I missed that. Where was var when you actually needed it...........rather than getting involved when you don't??


So did I.  I am not sure which would horrify me more ..... missing the ball out of play or missing an offside call resulting in a goal?  From memory, there were more of the latter than the former that worried me.

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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #4 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 13:55 »
Watching to see if the whole of the ball has crossed a line is hard enough but trying to adjudge it when the ball is sky high in the air is incredibly difficult. It was just about the hardest thing I found when I was actively lining.
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« Reply #5 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 13:57 »
I can see why it happened, he's seen the keeper go long and immediately turns to go as he know how rapid the Man Utd forwards are.  From where Henderson hit the ball it would be extremely rare for it to go out and back in again, be he put so much whip on the ball it did just that.  It must have gone out given how much it curved and how close it landed to the touchline.

Don't see how VAR could rule on it as there was no camera close to looking down the touchline and it would have been a guess even if it was an obvious guess.  I do wonder if the 4th official could have had any input as the ball must have gone over his head.

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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #6 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 14:48 »
I can see why it happened, he's seen the keeper go long and immediately turns to go as he know how rapid the Man Utd forwards are.  From where Henderson hit the ball it would be extremely rare for it to go out and back in again, be he put so much whip on the ball it did just that.  It must have gone out given how much it curved and how close it landed to the touchline.

Don't see how VAR could rule on it as there was no camera close to looking down the touchline and it would have been a guess even if it was an obvious guess.  I do wonder if the 4th official could have had any input as the ball must have gone over his head.

Can they not put the offside lines longitudinally?
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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #7 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 15:42 »

Surely a linesman is there to see if the ball goes out of play......
  Perhaps you're right about your (and my) day but there are no "linesmen" anymore!!!  As others have said, the Assistant Referee has far more to observe these days so an unfortunate change of viewpoint at an unfortunate moment is to be expected.   However, I used to be quite adept at running backwards, keeping play in full view. IOs that discouraged/disallowed these days?

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« Reply #8 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 17:27 »
Looked out to me, not Marriner's fault whatsoever.  Surely VAR & Simon Long could see the ball had swerved out?!  Changed the game in United's favour...

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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #9 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 19:11 »
I can see why it happened, he's seen the keeper go long and immediately turns to go as he know how rapid the Man Utd forwards are.  From where Henderson hit the ball it would be extremely rare for it to go out and back in again, be he put so much whip on the ball it did just that.  It must have gone out given how much it curved and how close it landed to the touchline.

Don't see how VAR could rule on it as there was no camera close to looking down the touchline and it would have been a guess even if it was an obvious guess.  I do wonder if the 4th official could have had any input as the ball must have gone over his head.

Can they not put the offside lines longitudinally?

They don't have cameras in the right places.  Plus the technology for offside is looking at players body parts that are on, or within 2 metres of, the ground.  As opposed to ball that is 10 metres in the air.

Really nothing that VAR could have done here.

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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #10 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 21:24 »
Surely whether the ball went out for a throw-in is outside the VAR guidelines?

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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #11 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 21:36 »
Surely whether the ball went out for a throw-in is outside the VAR guidelines?

Does it not depend on whether it's clear and obvious?   
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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #12 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 22:00 »
Surely whether the ball went out for a throw-in is outside the VAR guidelines?

Does it not depend on whether it's clear and obvious?   

It obviously wasn't clear and obvious because we are still trying to work it out!  ;D
Referee's decision used to be final!
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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #13 on: Sun 06 Dec 2020 22:02 »
In a game with VAR Assistant Referees know that if a goal is scored their decision on offside or not will be "corrected" if deemed incorrect.  So it would seem the sensible thing for them to do would be to give priority to checking to see if the ball remains in play.  Whether. as Whistleblower says, it would be easy for them to tell when the ball is high is another matter although if the BBC graphics are to be believed it was well over the line.
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Re: Andre Marriner : West Ham vs Man Utd
« Reply #14 on: Mon 07 Dec 2020 09:59 »
If it went over the head of Mr Moyes then surely the 4O would have seen that it had gone out.
Could they not have commented?