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Can’t believe nobody has mentioned laughing boy Milford’s failure to deal with Gascogne for his outrageous assaults in the 1991 F A Cup Final.
I know thanks to karma that Gascoigne knackered himself and had to be substituted but he ought to have been dismissed - no question - and Spurs left with 10 players. The final result may well have been very different
Unforgivable dereliction if duty by an overrated ref who just seemed to want to be everyone’s chum

In agreeing with you Hendo, I was reminded of Howard Webb just cautioning a Dutch player for planting his studs firmly into the chest of a Spanish player in the 2010 World Cup Final. Another who ought to have seen red! And who could forget the incident in the 1982 World Cup semi final when ref Charles Corver failed to punish the German Schumacher following a foul which left the Frenchman Battiston with a broken jaw? Unbelievable!

Not forgetting Poll and his three card trick.

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Can’t believe nobody has mentioned laughing boy Milford’s failure to deal with Gascogne for his outrageous assaults in the 1991 F A Cup Final.
I know thanks to karma that Gascoigne knackered himself and had to be substituted but he ought to have been dismissed - no question - and Spurs left with 10 players. The final result may well have been very different
Unforgivable dereliction if duty by an overrated ref who just seemed to want to be everyone’s chum

I wonder if Milford had given Gascoigne a yellow after the first incident he might have calmed down a bit?
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Worst decision I have witnessed?  It must have been in the Brighton v. Bournemouth match c. 2010, refereed by Darren Sheldrake.  Free kick some way outside the penalty area awarded against a Brighton defender (whether there was actually any offence was debatable) by Mr. Sheldrake, who was fairly close to the incident, but changed this to a penalty on the advice of an AR who was standing at the time near the goal-line, apparently without a clear view of what had (or had not) taken place; television replays confirmed that by no stretch of the imagination was any offence committed inside the penalty area. Why on earth Mr Sheldrake allowed his original decision to be overruled in these circumstances remains a mystery - as indeed were several other decisions made in the course of the match.........

I was surprised to see that Darren Sheldrake was on the league list for 6 years - I only saw him once after the match mentioned above, and whilst there were no incidents to compare with the one described above, I think it is fair to say that I was underwhelmed by his performance.

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Worst decision I have witnessed?  It must have been in the Brighton v. Bournemouth match c. 2010, refereed by Darren Sheldrake.  Free kick some way outside the penalty area awarded against a Brighton defender (whether there was actually any offence was debatable) by Mr. Sheldrake, who was fairly close to the incident, but changed this to a penalty on the advice of an AR who was standing at the time near the goal-line, apparently without a clear view of what had (or had not) taken place; television replays confirmed that by no stretch of the imagination was any offence committed inside the penalty area. Why on earth Mr Sheldrake allowed his original decision to be overruled in these circumstances remains a mystery - as indeed were several other decisions made in the course of the match.........

I was surprised to see that Darren Sheldrake was on the league list for 6 years - I only saw him once after the match mentioned above, and whilst there were no incidents to compare with the one described above, I think it is fair to say that I was underwhelmed by his performance.

I remember that game! Pugh scored from the pen to equalise, pretty late on in the match. 89/90 min maybe! I know I nearly missed it as I was still laughing at the appalling decision! there were many questionable ones but to be fair in both directions!!
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Worst decision I have witnessed?  It must have been in the Brighton v. Bournemouth match c. 2010, refereed by Darren Sheldrake.  Free kick some way outside the penalty area awarded against a Brighton defender (whether there was actually any offence was debatable) by Mr. Sheldrake, who was fairly close to the incident, but changed this to a penalty on the advice of an AR who was standing at the time near the goal-line, apparently without a clear view of what had (or had not) taken place; television replays confirmed that by no stretch of the imagination was any offence committed inside the penalty area. Why on earth Mr Sheldrake allowed his original decision to be overruled in these circumstances remains a mystery - as indeed were several other decisions made in the course of the match.........

I was surprised to see that Darren Sheldrake was on the league list for 6 years - I only saw him once after the match mentioned above, and whilst there were no incidents to compare with the one described above, I think it is fair to say that I was underwhelmed by his performance.

I think he became quite injury prone and left the list the same time as Phil Dowd

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Part remembered 2 incidents at Bolton-probably early seventies.Can't remember opposition but programmes available out of mind/sight of Mrs B.
1 Bolton attack-ball appears to go out of play for a goal kick.Opposition goalkeeper places ball on spot and prepares to take a run for the goal kick.Bolton attacker dribbles ball off the spot and into empty goal.To general amazement THC Reynolds gives a goal,whilst linesman A.Hughes simply stands there with no signal of any kind.General uproar from opposition but goal stands.
2.Unusual,rather than controversial.Beautiful sunny day-no incidents in first half.Second half restarts with both linesmen on SAME SIDE of pitch.Sorry,can't remember officials,but it worked without further incident.Clearly,linesman on far side had had problems seeing in the first half,so both were on stand side in second half,shaded from bright sunlight.
Both of above occurred,of course,at Burnden Park.

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I have a very vague recollection of something similar to number 2 above in which the referee was Ray Tinkler, but with no idea where or when.

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Yes, we had a similar incident to the first recalled by Boris10 when Palace were playing Hull in the 1960s. The game was drifting towards a 0-0 stalemate when the ball was played through the middle towards a Hull player who was clearly in an offside position but had no hope of getting to the ball ahead of the Palace goalie John Jackson. The flag went up from the linesman for offside, Jackson placed it ready for the free kick, and the Hull player then turned round and dribbled the ball into the empty net. Uproar as it became clear that the goal was going to be allowed to stand. The referee? It was Ray 'play on' Tinkler who was to the focus of a much more well-known and well-publicised offside incident a few years later at Leeds which is still shown to this day.   

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Just been watching a re-run of the 1970 FA Cup final - described by some as the dirties game ever in England. Who were the officials and can someone please provide any basis for this claim??

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Just been watching a re-run of the 1970 FA Cup final - described by some as the dirties game ever in England. Who were the officials and can someone please provide any basis for this claim??

Eric Jennings was the referee for the game & the replay.

From wiki:

The replay at Old Trafford, watched by a television audience of 28 million,[7] a record for an FA Cup final, became one of the most notorious clashes in English football for the harshness of play, which exceeded the previous game at Wembley. The referee in charge of both games, 47-year-old Eric Jennings from Stourbridge, in his last season as a Football League referee, allowed rough play by both sides throughout, playing the advantage to its full extent. He booked only one player, Ian Hutchinson of Chelsea, during the game.

Only one change was made in either line-up, with Leeds United replacing goalkeeper Gary Sprake with David Harvey.

Modern-day referee David Elleray reviewed the match in 1997, and concluded that the sides would have received six red cards and twenty yellow cards between them, in the modern era of football.[8] Tommy Baldwin and Terry Cooper, admittedly two of the quieter men in the two sides, were kicking lumps out of one another, as the battle began. Not long into the game, Chelsea's Ron Harris caught winger Eddie Gray with a kick to the back of the knee, an action which neutralised the Scottish winger for the rest of the game. Norman Hunter and Ian Hutchinson traded punches while Eddie McCreadie, in his own penalty area, made a flying kick to Bremner's head and Johnny Giles also lunged at a Chelsea opponent. Charlton kneed and headbutted Peter Osgood while Chelsea's goalkeeper Peter Bonetti was injured after being bundled into the net by Leeds' Jones, who, minutes later, shot past the limping Bonetti for the opening goal.

Chelsea equalised twelve minutes before the end, after a flowing move, from which Osgood scored with a diving header from a Charlie Cooke cross. Jackie Charlton should have been marking Osgood but had 'lost' him while chasing Hutchinson to exact retribution for a deadleg administered in the Chelsea penalty area a minute or so earlier. In scoring, Osgood became the last player to date to have scored in every round of the FA Cup. With the game ending 1–1, the final once again went into extra time. One minute before the first period of extra time was to end, Chelsea's Hutchinson sent in a long throw-in that missed almost every player in the penalty area but came off Charlton's head towards the far post, before being put into the unguarded net by Webb to give Chelsea the lead for the first time in the two games. They kept the lead until the end, securing their first FA Cup win.
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I watched this game from pitchside and it was brutal.

The Guards bands always did the FA Cup Final at Wembley, however, when this went to a replay I was a member of the Band of the Royal Air Force Regiment at RAF Catterick and one of the lads was a keen Leeds fan.
On the Monday morning he was talking about the replay and our boss just happened to say "I wonder if they have booked a band?" We told him to ring Old Trafford and they had not even thought about it so they discussed a price and we got the job.

On the night, the atmosphere was electric and the steward in charge of the band told our Drum Major not to venture into either penalty area as we marched up and down. After a couple of times he forgot the advice and took us into the area at the Chelsea end and there was a hail of bottles thrown by the fans --needless to say we countermarched rather quickly and stayed in the designated area.

As I said, the game was brutal but I enjoyed it and got a bit of extra cash for performing and watching for free!
Referee's decision used to be final!
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The refereeing performance of Eric Jennings in both games was lenient in the extreme, and in an article with the title, 'It took murder to be booked in 1970', The Times yesterday reports Chelsea's David Webb as saying about Jennings, "the ref would walk up to someone looking like he's going to show a red card, and he's pulled his hankie out of his pocket, blown his nose and said "get on with it". He was a big man and didn't allow himself to get intimidated by the Leeds players".

I would suggest that Jennings' performance in the replay (which was his last game as a top flight ref), was one of a number of refereeing performances and decisions over the years which led to some major changes in football which we see today. Here are my selection:

1932 - W Harper (curiously like Jennings from Stourbridge) awarded Newcastle a goal in the FA Cup Final when the ball had clearly gone over the goal line for a goal kick to Arsenal. This led to the introduction of the diagonal system for refereeing and lining which we see today.

1970 - Jennings' leniency led to a crackdown on discipline on the field which is still seen today.

2008 - Stuart Attwell's 'phantom goal' award at Watford hastened the need for VAR.

2010 - J Larrionda (England v Germany in the 2010 World Cup in South Africa) and Mark Clattenburg at Old Trafford both hastened the introduction of goal line technology which has been universally accepted ever since.

It may be taking it a bit too far to suggest that the 'goal or no goal' incidents at Chelsea (Roy Capey) and Coventry (David Webb) in the 1970s and 1980s led to the authorities getting rid of metal stanchions.

I am sure others can be added to this list and I'm happy if you disagree with my suggestions.
   
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The refereeing performance of Eric Jennings in both games was lenient in the extreme, and in an article with the title, 'It took murder to be booked in 1970', The Times yesterday reports Chelsea's David Webb as saying about Jennings, "the ref would walk up to someone looking like he's going to show a red card, and he's pulled his hankie out of his pocket, blown his nose and said "get on with it". He was a big man and didn't allow himself to get intimidated by the Leeds players".

I would suggest that Jennings' performance in the replay (which was his last game as a top flight ref), was one of a number of refereeing performances and decisions over the years which led to some major changes in football which we see today. Here are my selection:

1932 - W Harper (curiously like Jennings from Stourbridge) awarded Newcastle a goal in the FA Cup Final when the ball had clearly gone over the goal line for a goal kick to Arsenal. This led to the introduction of the diagonal system for refereeing and lining which we see today.

1970 - Jennings' leniency led to a crackdown on discipline on the field which is still seen today.

2008 - Stuart Attwell's 'phantom goal' award at Watford hastened the need for VAR.

2010 - J Larrionda (England v Germany in the 2010 World Cup in South Africa) and Mark Clattenburg at Old Trafford both hastened the introduction of goal line technology which has been universally accepted ever since.

It may be taking it a bit too far to suggest that the 'goal or no goal' incidents at Chelsea (Roy Capey) and Coventry (David Webb) in the 1970s and 1980s led to the authorities getting rid of metal stanchions.

I am sure others can be added to this list and I'm happy if you disagree with my suggestions.
   
I believe a decision by John Osborne (Ipswich) not to award a goal in a Villa game at Leicester City when the ball hit the metal work at the back of the net and shot out again also led to a redesign of stanchions, I think in the 1970s.   
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2010 - J Larrionda (England v Germany in the 2010 World Cup in South Africa) and Mark Clattenburg at Old Trafford both hastened the introduction of goal line technology which has been universally accepted ever since.
   

Blatter (remember him ?) was always against goal line technology before even he was embarrassed by England's "goal" not being awarded in FIFA's showpiece tournament.  It just showed how far football was behind other sports when it came to determining such decisions.  The Clattenburg/Lewis incident was back in 2005 had little impact other than highlighting the obvious need for GLT.
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