Author Topic: Additional Time (Read 785 times)

justalino · « **on:** Mon 05 Jul 2021 09:16 »

It was interesting to see Felix Brych play absolutely no additional time at the end of the 2nd half in the Ukraine v England game, despite there being three goals, a triple substitution (possibly other subs, I was a few beers deep by this point!) so realistically there probably should have been 3 or so minutes.

I'd be interested to get people's thoughts on this. The outcome of the game was clearly not in doubt so was this sensible refereeing to put Ukraine out of their misery? Or does it question the integrity of the competition along with potential implications for betting markets?

robbieg · « **Reply #1 on:** Mon 05 Jul 2021 11:04 »

Personally as a fan I would prefer a full complement of injury time to be played even if my team was on the back of a heavy defeat. It in my opinion is all about the integrity and transparency of the game as a whole.

At least one other goal could have been scored during that period which in itself may nor affect the result but would maybe mean the world to a player scoring his first ever international goal.

Maybe a player could make his international debut There were three Ukraninans waiting to come on during injury time.Not going to change the world at all but it adds to the game itself.

Dr Byrch is undoubtedly one of THE best referees in the world but my feeling is he let the game down a bit on Saturday night.

Just an opinion.

Welshexref · « **Reply #2 on:** Mon 05 Jul 2021 11:06 »

I was surprised too. I accept it had no issue on the game but would have thought an assessor might have had something to say on the matter.

I only did it once in 20 years with the whistle and that was on a 16 - 0 park game on a very wet day!

Whistleblower · « **Reply #3 on:** Mon 05 Jul 2021 23:10 »

On a very few occasions when there was a particularly heavy score line in favour of one team I would, as the 90 minutes was coming to its conclusion, ask both Captains whether they wanted added on time. If both said no then I would add about 30 seconds before blowing for the end of the match. If either or both said yes then I would play the added time I had already computed whilst erring very much on the shorter interpretation.

RefObserver · « **Reply #4 on:** Tue 06 Jul 2021 07:36 »

I think one issue with this is betting. There are markets on virtually everything these days. I'm not sure if that includes subs (that were about to be made) but certainly on corners, goals, correct score and more. I am sure there were people needing something to happen in added time for a win. For that alone, I believe any referee at that level has a responsibility to play any added time due.

RCG · « **Reply #5 on:** Tue 06 Jul 2021 08:09 »

I refereed a cup match which was over by about 70 minutes, nothing much had happened but we did have 6 subs and a number of goals. I played a very short 2 minutes.
After game the winning manager asked to see me. He requested that I pay his and his players bonus as they had missed clubs highest score by 1 goal, which could have been achieved in the remaining correct added time.
After that I always tried to play right amount

anje-roo · « **Reply #6 on:** Tue 06 Jul 2021 08:43 »

Off the top of my head, thinking about the other professional sports in which I have an interest of some sort, I cannot think of one where it is not obvious to all spectators (be they at the game or watching remotely) what the amount of playing time left is. Rugby (union & league), Aussie Rules, American Football, Hockey - there are probably others such as water polo & combat sports such as boxing. Football is about the only sport I can think of where there's no more than a vague estimation signalled by the FO. If you're participating in a professional sport, you observe the laws/rules to the absolute letter. That Dr Brych is immediately appointed to another KO game immediately after such a blatant dereliction of duty just about sums up UEFA's lip service to managing the tournament professionally. On the other hand, UEFA obviously doesn't regard the majority of its elite referees as sufficiently elite to handle SPAITA. Fingers crossed that the remaining 3 games in Euro 2020 are remembered for the right reasons.

ARF · « **Reply #7 on:** Tue 06 Jul 2021 10:11 »

Quote from: RCG on Tue 06 Jul 2021 08:09

I refereed a cup match which was over by about 70 minutes, nothing much had happened but we did have 6 subs and a number of goals. I played a very short 2 minutes.
After game the winning manager asked to see me. He requested that I pay his and his players bonus as they had missed clubs highest score by 1 goal, which could have been achieved in the remaining correct added time.
After that I always tried to play right amount

It could have also been achieved had they put in some extra effort during the 90 minutes.

LateTackle · « **Reply #8 on:** Tue 06 Jul 2021 14:54 »

I have no problem with what Brych did as there was nothing left in the game. It was not a group game and goal difference was irrelevant. Like others, I sometimes did the same in my refereeing days, especially when you could see the team on the end of a pasting just wanted to get off the pitch. It's all about the sadly now defunct 'Law 18' which I am sure the older ones among us were well acquainted with.

Quote from: RefObserver on Tue 06 Jul 2021 07:36

I think one issue with this is betting. There are markets on virtually everything these days. I'm not sure if that includes subs (that were about to be made) but certainly on corners, goals, correct score and more. I am sure there were people needing something to happen in added time for a win. For that alone, I believe any referee at that level has a responsibility to play any added time due.

Absolutely disagree regarding the betting issue. If you choose to gamble on a game then you are at the mercy of referee's decisions throughout and should be aware of that before investing your two bob. I am sure nobody would expect referees to take account of such issues during a game, and long may that remain the case. As an aside, the gambling industry has far too much influence on the game already by way of sponsorship, something which causes much misery, so the sooner we see regulation of shirt sponsorship and peripheral advertising the better.

bruntyboy · « **Reply #9 on:** Tue 13 Jul 2021 00:00 »

Quote from: anje-roo on Tue 06 Jul 2021 08:43

Off the top of my head, thinking about the other professional sports in which I have an interest of some sort, I cannot think of one where it is not obvious to all spectators (be they at the game or watching remotely) what the amount of playing time left is. Rugby (union & league), Aussie Rules, American Football, Hockey - there are probably others such as water polo & combat sports such as boxing. Football is about the only sport I can think of where there's no more than a vague estimation signalled by the FO. If you're participating in a professional sport, you observe the laws/rules to the absolute letter. That Dr Brych is immediately appointed to another KO game immediately after such a blatant dereliction of duty just about sums up UEFA's lip service to managing the tournament professionally. On the other hand, UEFA obviously doesn't regard the majority of its elite referees as sufficiently elite to handle SPAITA. Fingers crossed that the remaining 3 games in Euro 2020 are remembered for the right reasons.

In Rugby Union you might know when the 80 minutes are up but not what the amount of playing time left is.

ARF · « **Reply #10 on:** Tue 13 Jul 2021 09:43 »

Quote from: anje-roo on Tue 06 Jul 2021 08:43

Off the top of my head, thinking about the other professional sports in which I have an interest of some sort, I cannot think of one where it is not obvious to all spectators (be they at the game or watching remotely) what the amount of playing time left is. Rugby (union & league), Aussie Rules, American Football, Hockey - there are probably others such as water polo & combat sports such as boxing. Football is about the only sport I can think of where there's no more than a vague estimation signalled by the FO. If you're participating in a professional sport, you observe the laws/rules to the absolute letter. That Dr Brych is immediately appointed to another KO game immediately after such a blatant dereliction of duty just about sums up UEFA's lip service to managing the tournament professionally. On the other hand, UEFA obviously doesn't regard the majority of its elite referees as sufficiently elite to handle SPAITA. Fingers crossed that the remaining 3 games in Euro 2020 are remembered for the right reasons.

No-one will be remembering the game for the fact that the referee didn't play any added time.

If not adding any time is "dereliction of duty", then I'm worried what you're going to do when you find out that goalkeepers hardly ever get penalised for holding the ball more than six seconds...

AFAref · « **Reply #11 on:** Tue 13 Jul 2021 20:53 »

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In Rugby Union you might know when the 80 minutes are up but not what the amount of playing time left is.

Especially if Wayne Barnes is refereeing!

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