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A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 17:54 »
Disgusting and terrible tackle from Pogba and an excellent referral from VAR Attwell to upgrade to a red.

Doesn’t look good for Keita at all being stretchered off.

Ronaldo was lucky as well when he kicked out on the floor at Curtis Jones.

United have completely lost the plot and I fear more cards will be forthcoming.

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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #1 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 17:55 »
I was surprised he went yellow first of all, VAR got that spot on if there was ever a challenge that deserves a long ban that was it dangerous and unnecessary.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #2 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 17:56 »
Should not be elite FIFA officials be judging that for themselves instead of waiting for VAR to bail them out.

I would question Maguire should have been dismissed mintes before for DOGSO
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #3 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 17:58 »
Should not be elite FIFA officials be judging that for themselves instead of waiting for VAR to bail them out.

I would question Maguire should have been dismissed mintes before for DOGSO

It was a genuine attempt to play the ball so was not a red.

How Taylor didn't adjudge the Pogba one to be a red initially is remarkable.

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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #4 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 17:59 »
Should not be elite FIFA officials be judging that for themselves instead of waiting for VAR to bail them out.

I would question Maguire should have been dismissed mintes before for DOGSO

I’d agree with that, ball played through goal side would be inside the box with the ball defender wouldn’t have got there

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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #5 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 18:08 »
Should not be elite FIFA officials be judging that for themselves instead of waiting for VAR to bail them out.

I would question Maguire should have been dismissed mintes before for DOGSO

It was a genuine attempt to play the ball so was not a red.

How Taylor didn't adjudge the Pogba one to be a red initially is remarkable.

Genuine attempt is irrelevant outside the area. The only question is DOGSO yes/no.

Looked like DOGSO in real time but the replays were poor. I’m guessing it wasn’t clear otherwise it would have been overturned.

Looks like the assistant gave it, as Taylor was definitely playing on.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #6 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 18:10 »
The Ronaldo caution was correct, but very poor discipline.

The Pogba challenge had red card written all over it as soon as he overplayed it. Very surprised Taylor and the AR needed VAR to make the right decision.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #7 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 18:12 »
Really poor that it needed Stuart Attwell to get it right and intervene to get Mr Pogba his just reward.

How on earth did Taylor, again failing to impress go yellow?
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #8 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 18:27 »
Cant wait for HYS on the BBC site. Lines will be in meltdown

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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #9 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 18:53 »
In my opinion the worst incident, Pogba's tackle, was correctly sanctioned after VAR review with a red card. Maguire's foul could have gone either way, certainly had a RC been issued on the pitch I would not have expected a VAR intervention but or me its 60/40 YC and therefore I think Taylor got that one correct. Ronaldo's kick for me constituted VC and he should have been shown a RC but in defence of Taylor and VAR Atwell I think that a) The EPL want a relatively high tolerance for VC in those type of incidents so Taylor probably correct as far as they are instructed and b) I am not sure it was a VAR intervention worthy incident. One of those 'umpire's calls' as has been referred to a number of times in recent weeks where the on field team are deemed best placed to judge the nature of the foul.

Otherwise I thought Taylor did well, very positive presentation and excellent fitness displayed.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #10 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 19:15 »
I think that VAR might have been helpful to the referee as it would have given him a perspective of Ronaldo's forceful (violent) kick of the ball.  The referee was not well sighted and that AR may have been too close.  Its one where AT may have still gone yellow, but he would have certainly benefited from the additional view from another angle.

Personally, I would have gone red, but perhaps another "umpire's call" ??
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #11 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 20:33 »
I don't know the extent of Kieta's injury but I think that a referee's prime responsibility is to protect safety.  If the instruction to referees is to try and avoid red cards for incidents like Ronaldo's then I think that they do the game a disservice. Had Ronaldo been dealt with properly I believe that other players would have seen where the bar had been set and been more circumspect, then perhaps Kieta's injury might have been avoided.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #12 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 20:52 »
I don't know the extent of Kieta's injury but I think that a referee's prime responsibility is to protect safety.  If the instruction to referees is to try and avoid red cards for incidents like Ronaldo's then I think that they do the game a disservice. Had Ronaldo been dealt with properly I believe that other players would have seen where the bar had been set and been more circumspect, then perhaps Kieta's injury might have been avoided.

You can’t send someone off to simply give a warning. Besides, they were in different halves and generally the game’s discipline wasn’t poor.

Also, Ronaldo, whilst pushing his luck wasn’t obviously guilty of VC. He very much kicked the ball, even if he got some of the man. The force wasn’t very obviously excessive.

All of that noted, I don’t think VAR would have overturned, but a sending off wouldn’t have been correct IMO.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #13 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 21:26 »
Two other potential red card incident as well.. Fred's foot into the head of a Liverpool player... Greizemann sent off for similar v Liverpool, and Bruno's challenge on Curtis Jones in the second half. Felt Maguire should have been sent off for DOGSO, and Ronaldo was very lucky.

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Re: A TAYLOR - Man U v Liverpool
« Reply #14 on: Sun 24 Oct 2021 21:35 »
What?

Did you watch the kick or just wildy guess that it wasn't "excessive"

If you swing your leg at something there is a lot of force behind it. Also the point that it was his 2/3rd attempt, it was after the whistle.
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