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A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 17:43 »
Taylor summoned to the monitor for a foul on Fabinho by Haaland. Definite foul and correct to overrule.

Even the challenge on Allison by Haaland looked a foul with both hands on the ball.

Disgraceful behaviour from Guardiola harassing Taylor as he came to the monitor.

 However, we should never have got to that stage had a corner been given when Salah was clean through and Ederson saved.

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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #1 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:14 »
Thank god someone has finally sent Klopp off
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« Reply #2 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:27 »
Klopp had every reason to be upset though having a rant at officials is wrong. Today Taylor has let the game flow but ignored a few clear fouls. VAR got him out of a hole. Did his assistant feel that the foul on Salah was ref's call?

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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #3 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:32 »
Whether Klopp had ‘every reason to be upset’ is no excuse for him to behave like he did, and should’ve been sent off for his antics many many times
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #4 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:33 »
I liked the way that Taylor tried to referee the game, let the players get on with it and a reasonably high bar.  Problem with that approach is that a relatively minor infringement that leads to a goal and VAR tells you to disallow it.  And all of a sudden a foul you've let go all afternoon is penalised because it led to a goal.  The whole purpose of letting it flow is for more goals so it seems a bit bizarre. 

Second problem is that you then get a scenario like the one for the foul on Salah when you end up frustrating people and it kicks off a bit - no excuses for the way that Klopp, Silva and Salah all reacted but you can kind of understand it.

Taylor overall enhanced the game but I think that game totally showed the limitations of being lenient and letting it flow.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #5 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:38 »
Klopp and Guardiola need to made an example of… absolutely abhorrent behaviour from them both and I applaud Taylor having the balls to red card herr Klopp.

Now, it’s over to you at the FA…. deal with them HARD.
« Last Edit: Wed 19 Oct 2022 19:59 by charlieboy »
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« Reply #6 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:47 »
Firstly what a game.

Correct decision for Taylor to go to the VAR screen. The behaviour from Mr Guardiola was a disgrace. How he stayed in I don’t know. Situation would have been avoided had he correctly given Liverpool a corner.

Taylor contributed to a great game. If you are neutral he was excellent if you support either side he was awful.

Taylor was right to send Klopp off, his behaviour was dreadful. However, again the situation would have been avoided had either him or his assistant not ignored a clear foul on Salah.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 18:52 »
Agree not before time, but why did he stop the game with city on the attack in a good situation, surely it could have waited.

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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #8 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 19:08 »
Taylor summoned to the monitor for a foul on Fabinho by Haaland. Definite foul and correct to overrule.

Even the challenge on Allison by Haaland looked a foul with both hands on the ball.

Disgraceful behaviour from Guardiola harassing Taylor as he came to the monitor.

 However, we should never have got to that stage had a corner been given when Salah was clean through and Ederson saved.


Not spotting the save from Salah was poor.

Not spotting the foul ahead of the City "goal" was poor.

Nor removing Pep for his childish antics was poor.

Removing Klopp was good.

1/4.


PL referees are still relying too much on VAR to bail them out instead of using the skill, judgement and experience that got them to this level.
« Last Edit: Mon 17 Oct 2022 08:01 by Leggy »
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #9 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 19:18 »
Klopp and Guardiola need to made an example of… absolutely abhorrent behaviour from them both and I applaud Taylor having the balls to red card (Edited just NO!) Klopp.

Now, it’s over to you at the FA…. deal with them HARD.

Why was my post moderated?

The last time I went to school and studied German… Herr = Mr?

How is that offensive?
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #10 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 19:20 »
Klopp and Guardiola need to made an example of… absolutely abhorrent behaviour from them both and I applaud Taylor having the balls to red card (Edited just NO!) Klopp.

Now, it’s over to you at the FA…. deal with them HARD.

They won’t
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« Reply #11 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 21:07 »
I thought Anthony Taylor was very poor today. For starters the obvious foul in the build-up to the disallowed goal shouldn’t need VAR intervention; he played a non-advantage when the City player had committed a yellow card offence to avoid a red card; and the clear foul on Salah that caused the red car for Klopp was ridiculous. A pity he wasn’t so concerned when he was harranged by City players when going to the monitor.

There were numerous other things incidents and I didn’t think he was at all consistent. The bes we’ve got two weeks running have been dreadful.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #12 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 22:07 »
I thought Taylor contributed to the game being as much of a spectacle that it was. However I thought that he should have send Guardiola packing for his protests when he went over to the VAR screen. He seemed to lose control of the game after this incident.

I was also disappointed with Gary Beswick's performance, not only with the Salah foul, but also his positioning with the defensive line on a couple of occasions.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #13 on: Mon 17 Oct 2022 07:52 »
Klopp and Guardiola need to made an example of… absolutely abhorrent behaviour from them both and I applaud Taylor having the balls to red card (Edited just NO!) Klopp.

Now, it’s over to you at the FA…. deal with them HARD.

So, at grassroots level, he would charged with an aggravated breach for the verbal assault. The guidelines are 6 to 12 matches.

Roy Keene, saying he is showing passion for his team, is as helpful as a fart in a spacesuit..... Grassroots referees are quitting every week after they get at weekends. And given the the Merseyside Youth Football League cancelled all their matches this weekend for abuse towards referees.

What do we think the ban we will get should be?

I will start - 6 weeks, so effectively he can until after the World Cup off. And 3 weeks of being banned from all football places (including the training ground). If the FA want to help grassroots football, here is a prefect example.
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Re: A TAYLOR - Liverpool v Man C
« Reply #14 on: Mon 17 Oct 2022 08:26 »
It appears that many people thought Taylor was excellent, but their reasoning totally escape me. He let the game go, ignored fouls etc. Rubbish. Taylor was poor, at best playing his own dangerous game which backfired. The only reference point everyone has are the Laws of the Game and Taylor selectively ignored them. The Salah incident was a case in point which led to Klopp being sent off. It was avoidable and that is what referees should look back at - could I have done something to avoid the red card? Yes, apply the laws. Assistant should have flagged it but was he too selectively applying the Laws or under instructions from Taylor? Likewise, the disallowed City goal, Taylor ignored a material pull back. When discussing the incident Sky pundits were saying Taylor was inconsistent because he let other "fouls" go yet VAR picked this up. Bizarre. Left me speechless until today. It was a clear foul and there is nothing in the LOG that says you ignore pull backs or other fouls to make a game of it. At least VAR was able to correct the decision. In other cases, such leniency shall we say cannot be corrected or re-refereed if for example the foul leads to say a corner from which a team scores or the foul is too early in the phase of play leading up to the goal and VAR cannot intervene.
What is clear is that this toleration of physical challenges (even if they are fouls) speeds up the game but it is a sad reflection on the game that there are so many illegal challenges in the modern game which are ruining the sport as a spectacle. Allowing challenges appears to be saying allowing fouls but what are the guidelines? How can you apply consistency? How can you determine whether the incident is material? Where in the LOG does it say you can ignore fouls (noting advantage rule/law)? How can spectators and coaching staff understand what is happening?
Two other points. Firstly, Klopp was totally out of order and his action should be roundly condemned.
Secondly the behaviour of spectators within the ground appals me. Our inability to clamp down on (and even report incidents to authority) is alarming. I despair.
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