RateTheRef

It appears that many people thought Taylor was excellent, but their reasoning totally escape me. He let the game go, ignored fouls etc. Rubbish. Taylor was poor, at best playing his own dangerous game which backfired. The only reference point everyone has are the Laws of the Game and Taylor selectively ignored them. The Salah incident was a case in point which led to Klopp being sent off. It was avoidable and that is what referees should look back at - could I have done something to avoid the red card? Yes, apply the laws. Assistant should have flagged it but was he too selectively applying the Laws or under instructions from Taylor? Likewise, the disallowed City goal, Taylor ignored a material pull back. When discussing the incident Sky pundits were saying Taylor was inconsistent because he let other "fouls" go yet VAR picked this up. Bizarre. Left me speechless until today. It was a clear foul and there is nothing in the LOG that says you ignore pull backs or other fouls to make a game of it. At least VAR was able to correct the decision. In other cases, such leniency shall we say cannot be corrected or re-refereed if for example the foul leads to say a corner from which a team scores or the foul is too early in the phase of play leading up to the goal and VAR cannot intervene.
What is clear is that this toleration of physical challenges (even if they are fouls) speeds up the game but it is a sad reflection on the game that there are so many illegal challenges in the modern game which are ruining the sport as a spectacle. Allowing challenges appears to be saying allowing fouls but what are the guidelines? How can you apply consistency? How can you determine whether the incident is material? Where in the LOG does it say you can ignore fouls (noting advantage rule/law)? How can spectators and coaching staff understand what is happening?
Two other points. Firstly, Klopp was totally out of order and his action should be roundly condemned.
Secondly the behaviour of spectators within the ground appals me. Our inability to clamp down on (and even report incidents to authority) is alarming. I despair.

I was reffing so only saw the 2nd half so cannot comment on what happened in the 1st period. But I too thought Taylor was poor, and made a rod for his own back. But that is what Taylor does. Looks great when it goes well, but like yesterday fails badly when it doesn’t. Fair play he let a lot of fouls go to try and enhance the spectacle, but led to a loss of control and a clear KMI mistake. Once he lost control he lost all consistency and there did seem to be more free kicks to City than Liverpool. I’m all for letting soft free kicks go and getting on with the game, but ignoring clear free kick offences adds nothing. Indeed, I counted 5 occasions where a Liverpool player was pulled back and nothing given.
The goal for city is a clear foul one I would expect a level 7 to pick up. It should have been a corner to Liverpool in the first instance anyway.

Taylor again missing basic incidents, how do you not see the corner that wasn't given, he misses a lot of those.
VAR bails him out again on the City goal or does it ?  If you are going to set a standard where you ignore minor pulling and a few pushes then you have to be consistent. I'd have been more impressed if he had stuck by the decision to give the goal originally as it was more in context with what had gone on previously. As a poster correctly pointed out earlier, once the goal is disallowed you then have have a real problem with the level of tolerance from that point as it is inconsistent with the officiating to that point.

Horrible game to officiate.

Couple of points: it was a foul leading up the goal, but regardless of anyone’s view on that, the goal would not have stood as Alisson clearly had control of the ball before it was knocked out of his hand. It wasn’t checked before the foul before made it irrelevant.

Also, those bemoaning the corner that never was. That’s frankly absurdly harsh. The ball moved a tiny amount, but over 12-15 yards, that was enough to move it past the post. Anyone who has ever officiated at any level can have great sympathy with that.

I assume Taylor judged Salah and the City full back both to be holding one another. Yes, it’s an ‘easy’ one to give, but that’s usually what is the difference been a good and a great referee. I’m certainly not going to dwell on it.

Regardless of that, both managers had their unacceptable moments (Pep during the goal review). Good to see one incident being dealt with appropriately (and Klopp to his credit seems to have accepted it well).

All in all, it’s a horrible match to officiate, and I’m not sure a much more officious approach would have improved things (perhaps beyond creating more space by making it 9-a-side).

I despair

No touchline ban, what message does that send.

Oh wait a minute I do, the F.A. are useless and out of touch with reality.

That's like fining me 1p - glad to see the #enoughisenough campaign by the FA is going well then, oh...

I must be wealthier than your good self, its 3p for me

Quote from: Carter on Thu 27 Oct 2022 15:19

I despair

No touchline ban, what message does that send.

Oh wait a minute I do, the F.A. are useless and out of touch with reality.

Pathetic. There’s no other words I can use to describe the punishment.

Unfortunately my true opinions with the  appropriate expletives would result in me getting a smack bum from bmb.

I agree it's a pathetic response and precisely what one has, very sadly, come to expect from the FA who would be better termed the Sweet FA.
However, I am not sure it's wise to start speculating what might receive physical chastisement from bmb in case it gives certain RTR posters ideas.  I hasten to put in a Not Guilty plea myself !

Quote from: Carter on Thu 27 Oct 2022 15:19

I despair

No touchline ban, what message does that send.

Oh wait a minute I do, the F.A. are useless and out of touch with reality.

Pathetic. There’s no other words I can use to describe the punishment.

Unfortunately my true opinions with the  appropriate expletives would result in me getting a smack bum from bmb.

Oh you wish!!

The F.A. have appealed

Good on them