Author Topic: A TAYLOR - Chelsea v Tottenham (Read 4225 times)

Ivanhoe · « **Reply #15 on:** Sun 14 Aug 2022 22:08 »

Not sure how you can be so defensive of Taylor, he got two major decisions wrong which cost Chelsea the win. At one point I think he'd let so many challenges go that he'd actually lost the thread of the game. The hair pull was reviewed so it's should have been a straight red.
Taylor gets away with getting a lot of big decisions wrong.

jacksamuel21 · « **Reply #16 on:** Sun 14 Aug 2022 22:14 »

Quote from: Ivanhoe on Sun 14 Aug 2022 22:08

Not sure how you can be so defensive of Taylor, he got two major decisions wrong which cost Chelsea the win. At one point I think he'd let so many challenges go that he'd actually lost the thread of the game. The hair pull was reviewed so it's should have been a straight red.
Taylor gets away with getting a lot of big decisions wrong.

Agree on the fact it should have been straight red but you try spotting that with everything else going on at the corner. Also, let’s not forgot it’s in the 95th min and it’s 35 degrees. First one is not a foul. How you can say that Costa a goal is beyond me. Chelsea literally have 2 players touch the ball. It’s half a minute before the goal.

He never didn’t have control apart from the managers loosing it.

Gorgeous George · « **Reply #17 on:** Sun 14 Aug 2022 22:26 »

Some people can’t wait to push their own agenda against certain referees. Felt Taylor tried to keep with the higher threshold, and can’t be blamed for players making mistakes that lead directly to goals!
As for the ‘managers’ behaviour, a terrible example to set with the worlds eyes on you! Both I’m sure will receive suitable touch line bans!

Ivanhoe · « **Reply #18 on:** Sun 14 Aug 2022 22:48 »

The higher threshold is going to cause issues in some games and agreed it will be hard for referees but basic errors in decisions and those to be backed up by VAR are even more puzzling.
Taylor is overrated in my opinion, he gets too many basic decisions wrong.

Tweed · « **Reply #19 on:** Sun 14 Aug 2022 22:51 »

Got to say, if I'd seen the hair pull I'd have said yellow was sufficient.

PhiltheRef · « **Reply #20 on:** Sun 14 Aug 2022 23:07 »

I am reluctant to comment for fear of being accused of unwarrantedly defending a Local FA colleague.
Also I had a challenging afternoon myself so have seen only so called highlights.
I am somewhat intrigued, whoever the official, by those correspondents who aver that any official did or did not have a clear and unimpeded view of an incident without the benefit of a head mounted camera.
I'm not going to suggest that some / any officials receive criticism purely because of who they might be but I suspect that, on reflection this suggestion may prove accurate

Jackinthebox · « **Reply #21 on:** Sun 14 Aug 2022 23:11 »

I think it is a foul on Havertz but once Taylor allowed play to go on its to far back for VAR to get involved.
The incident with Romero and Cucurella is a YC for me so VAR made the right call.
Yes the managers didn't set a great example at all, I do think Taylor made the right call not to give Tuchel a 2nd yellow when he ran down the touchline he celebrated with his own supporters and players. Football is a game of emotion and thst shouldn't be taken away but the sceens at the end were not great at all.

Tweed · « **Reply #22 on:** Sun 14 Aug 2022 23:38 »

Essentially this was a tetchy game with lots of on edge decisions. I don't think Taylor got everything right but I don't think he did anything horrific. Of course if you're the team that lost two goals on the back of two 50/50 calls that went against you, you'll be very disappointed with him, if you're in the other camp you'll think he did well. I'm neutral and I think he did OK to keep a lid on it, managed it reasonably well and he wasn't helped at all by players and benches who were cantankerous. It's a game and performance that will split people but from my perspective, it was a really tough game and he was not helped at all by the players and coaching staff.

Ref Fan · « **Reply #23 on:** Mon 15 Aug 2022 08:37 »

Having read several books by former English International Referees, at least one of them mentioned the problem of how to handle the situation when things got feisty and there was the potential for the game to boil over. I think it was Elleray who suggested it was sometimes better to try and slow things down by for example blowing for free kicks you wouldn't necessarily do if the temperature on the field was lower, or by taking time to talk to players while play was stopped. I just wondered if that approach was still in vogue today.

In this instance, I thought Anthony Taylor did a reasonable job overall in just about keeping a lid on activity on the field but I did feel he missed a couple of incidents or decided not to stop play. Whether he had a view of the Romera hair pull I've no idea, but I do recall when I even mentioned the remote possibility that another FIFA referee may not have had a good sight of a key incident, being mocked by Mr Taylor's local FA colleague on here.

Leggy · « **Reply #24 on:** Mon 15 Aug 2022 08:42 »

Quote from: Jackinthebox on Sun 14 Aug 2022 23:11

I think it is a foul on Havertz but once Taylor allowed play to go on its to far back for VAR to get involved.
The incident with Romero and Cucurella is a YC for me so VAR made the right call.
Yes the managers didn't set a great example at all, I do think Taylor made the right call not to give Tuchel a 2nd yellow when he ran down the touchline he celebrated with his own supporters and players. Football is a game of emotion and thst shouldn't be taken away but the sceens at the end were not great at all.

I am sorry, but this excuse for poor behaviour by players and coaching staff is unjustifiable nonsense. Rugby Union is a game of emotion. Rugby League is a game of emotion. Hockey is a game of emotion. Cricket is a game of emotion. None of these sports tolerate such behaviour. The sanctions are clear and - where necessary - implemented without fear of favour.

Football does not want its referees to sanction according to Law because it will "devalue the product" to have players suspended and managers banned from the touchline. No referee who is employed by the PGMOL will go against the line passed down by their employer.

Until the game chooses to address this fundamental conflict of interest, nothing will change (except that it will get worse).

Whistleblower · « **Reply #25 on:** Mon 15 Aug 2022 09:03 »

There is a difference between having a high threshold for disciplinary action and failing to apply the Laws correctly and I think Taylor and Dean the VAR perhaps crossed that line yesterday. Havertz was fouled by Bentancur and a free kick should have been awarded. Whether Taylor did not see it properly or made the wrong call is open to question but it should have been a free kick. Tuchel should have been shown a second yellow and then a red card for his wild celebration after Chelsea's second goal. His antics clearly merited a caution and the failure to issue one will simply encourage such inflammatory behaviour from managers and coaches in the technical area. Richarlison standing in an offside position I don't think really affected Mendy's line of vision so I would give Taylor and Dean the benefit of the doubt on that one.

The hair pulling by Romero was clearly violent conduct and should have received a red card. I think it's understandable that with so much going on in the penalty area that Taylor might not have spotted this in real time and so I wouldn't criticize him too strongly but what on earth is the point of VAR if it doesn't bring such incidents to the referee's attention and here Dean is certainly the most culpable. He should have suggested Taylor went to the pitch side monitor.

This was an extremely challenging match to referee, probably exacerbated by the extreme heat, and Taylor generally did well but a failure to act in certain situations rather detracted from his overall performance.

jacksamuel21 · « **Reply #26 on:** Mon 15 Aug 2022 09:09 »

Quote from: Whistleblower on Mon 15 Aug 2022 09:03

There is a difference between having a high threshold for disciplinary action and failing to apply the Laws correctly and I think Taylor and Dean the VAR perhaps crossed that line yesterday. Havertz was fouled by Bentancur and a free kick should have been awarded. Whether Taylor did not see it properly or made the wrong call is open to question but it should have been a free kick. Tuchel should have been shown a second yellow and then a red card for his wild celebration after Chelsea's second goal. His antics clearly merited a caution and the failure to issue one will simply encourage such inflammatory behaviour from managers and coaches in the technical area. Richarlison standing in an offside position I don't think really affected Mendy's line of vision so I would give Taylor and Dean the benefit of the doubt on that one.

The hair pulling by Romero was clearly violent conduct and should have received a red card. I think it's understandable that with so much going on in the penalty area that Taylor might not have spotted this in real time and so I wouldn't criticize him too strongly but what on earth is the point of VAR if it doesn't bring such incidents to the referee's attention and here Dean is certainly the most culpable. He should have suggested Taylor went to the pitch side monitor.

This was an extremely challenging match to referee, probably exacerbated by the extreme heat, and Taylor generally did well but a failure to act in certain situations rather detracted from his overall performance.

Was Havertz fouled though one angle it looks like Romero got the ball first

Seagull · « **Reply #27 on:** Mon 15 Aug 2022 09:21 »

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 14 Aug 2022 18:54

Question…. Does VAR have the remit to look at footage of the benches piling into each other like school kids and punish accordingly?

I don't think VAR can do that (perhaps they should be able to do so if not) but I suspect the FA certainly will and charge both clubs accordingly. At least, I hope that's what happens. Appalling behaviour and should not be tolerated.

Ashington46 · « **Reply #28 on:** Mon 15 Aug 2022 09:42 »

I never thought that we would get to the point when there was more contact off the pitch than we see on it, however, we took a step nearer yesterday.
The Premier League at its worst and people moan about coaches etc. at grassroots level. They are obviously learning from the best ---or should that be the worst?

RefObserver · « **Reply #29 on:** Mon 15 Aug 2022 09:50 »

Firstly the behaviour of both sets of benches was shameful. They set the example, it is little wonder that we struggle with the behaviour of participants at the lower level when they witness this from so called professionals.

I agree I think it is a foul on Havertz but it is a judgement call and the officials felt not. I think AT sets a higher bar than some others regards contact during challenges but in fairness he was consistent with this throughout. Also no way VAR is going that far back.

Anyone who thinks the hair pull with enough force to drag the player to the floor is a caution needs to give their head a wobble. It is clearly Violent Conduct. I always try and defend officials where I can but I'm really not sure how to given it was also checked by VAR for a missed dismissal.

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