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TheThingFromLewes

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A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 16:54 »
Inconsistent start from Madley, the Bentacur card was in my view less sinister that the deliberate counter attack stopping fouls by Alvarez and Grealish.

Spurs fans on his back after these decisions.
« Last Edit: Sun 05 Feb 2023 16:59 by TheThingFromLewes »

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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #1 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 16:56 »
A poor referee, one wonders how he has got such a big calibre of game
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« Reply #2 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 17:17 »
Not an easy game to referee , but he is not helping himself with poor foul detection. Looks like he is really struggling. First caution a tad harsh. The second 100%. Hopefully he will have a better second half

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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #3 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 18:02 »
An enthralling game, but he's been inconsistent with his foul detection and awarding of yellow cards and one of my gripes, failing to play advantage a couple of times so far.
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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #4 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 18:21 »
Unfortunately the second half was not better. Still very inconsistent. Aurier def yellow for foul on Grealish. Also let off Romero. Although he did send him off later. He has that unfortunate air that he is in total control. Unfortunately no where near that . Overall not a good performance.
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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #5 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 19:02 »
Unfortunately the second half was not better. Still very inconsistent. Aurier def yellow for foul on Grealish. Also let off Romero. Although he did send him off later. He has that unfortunate air that he is in total control. Unfortunately no where near that . Overall not a good performance.
Aurier left spurs in 2021, went abroad, now has returned to uk playing for Nottingham Forest.

Whilst Mr Madley has been a little inconsistent with his foul detection, i would say he has tried to let the game flow. Not his best performance but a difficult, niggly game to referee.

I wouldnt rule out Mr Gillett for the EFL cup final, would prefer Mr Hooper on form, other possibilities Mr England and Mr Madley.
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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #6 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 19:02 »
If, and that’s a hypothetical IF, that was the audition team for the EFL final later this month then I wonder if they’ll be some scrambling at HQ with regard to that!
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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #7 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 19:15 »
Unfortunately the second half was not better. Still very inconsistent. Aurier def yellow for foul on Grealish. Also let off Romero. Although he did send him off later. He has that unfortunate air that he is in total control. Unfortunately no where near that . Overall not a good performance.

If you are going to criticise a referee for not cautioning a player it would help if you didn't pick a player that was playing in a game that kicked off 150 minutes earlier 120 miles away 😂
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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #8 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 21:21 »
Sorry Rustyref. If I got a name wrong. I think your sarcasm is a little unnecessary. I think it’s fairly clear who and what game I was referring to. I was commenting on a match and it’s official not intending to upset you

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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #9 on: Sun 05 Feb 2023 22:21 »
Sorry Rustyref. If I got a name wrong. I think your sarcasm is a little unnecessary. I think it’s fairly clear who and what game I was referring to. I was commenting on a match and it’s official not intending to upset you

I wasn't in the slightest bit upset.  But it just shows how easy it is to make a mistake, whether that is a referee missing a caution or naming a player that should have been cautioned who was 120 miles away at the time.  Mistakes happen, just unfortunate that a lot of people think referees aren't allowed to make them.
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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #10 on: Mon 06 Feb 2023 08:50 »
My main criticism of Mr. Madley is his positioning. He seems content to trundle up and down a narrow band in the centre of the pitch and unwilling to go wider on his diagonal, especially when attacks are building down the left wing. Other than that, I agree with others here that some cautions were missed and his foul detection wasn't great. Not his best of games.
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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #11 on: Mon 06 Feb 2023 17:12 »
I'm actually at a loss to know how to judge a refereeing performance.  It seems that the letter of the law can be mostly be interpreted to mean all things to all men and the spirit of the "game" is often unclear from the written laws.  For example where does law 11 tell us what the purpose (principle?/Spirit?) of the law is before it starts describing the miinutiae.  I would say ditto handball and even foul play (although I concede that may take a bit more debate to decide - safety is clearly an issue but thereafter how do you balance as a contact sport with using physical contact to gain an advantage?  Clearly the shoulder to shoulder charge is not the only allowable contact and intent, we are told, is not a factor so where does that leave us in understanding what the underlying rationale for determining what is permitted and what isn't - and does this change throughout a game?}

When the head of refereeing in England says that a decision was within an understanding of the written law but the "game" tells him it is contrary to what is expected,and IFAB don't see any need to reconsider the law them we seem to be in a mess.

With those caveats I felt A Madley's performance was OK when judged against the last 8-10 City games I have watched, I would probably only rank P Tierney's performance in our loss to Southampton as being more satisfactory.  The judgement on Tierney is quite definitely contra-Pavlovian!  On a hobby Horse of mine I think that the application of the law with regard arm to head contact is woefully inadequate and needs to be much more tighhtly regulated.

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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #12 on: Mon 06 Feb 2023 18:15 »
Apologies to DerbyLad90, I seem to have inadvertently pressed the "Dumb" button against his post above.
Can I assure him I had no intention of doing this and it was purely accidental.

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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #13 on: Mon 06 Feb 2023 18:25 »
I'm actually at a loss to know how to judge a refereeing performance.  It seems that the letter of the law can be mostly be interpreted to mean all things to all men and the spirit of the "game" is often unclear from the written laws.  For example where does law 11 tell us what the purpose (principle?/Spirit?) of the law is before it starts describing the miinutiae.  I would say ditto handball and even foul play (although I concede that may take a bit more debate to decide - safety is clearly an issue but thereafter how do you balance as a contact sport with using physical contact to gain an advantage?  Clearly the shoulder to shoulder charge is not the only allowable contact and intent, we are told, is not a factor so where does that leave us in understanding what the underlying rationale for determining what is permitted and what isn't - and does this change throughout a game?}

When the head of refereeing in England says that a decision was within an understanding of the written law but the "game" tells him it is contrary to what is expected,and IFAB don't see any need to reconsider the law them we seem to be in a mess.

With those caveats I felt A Madley's performance was OK when judged against the last 8-10 City games I have watched, I would probably only rank P Tierney's performance in our loss to Southampton as being more satisfactory.  The judgement on Tierney is quite definitely contra-Pavlovian!  On a hobby Horse of mine I think that the application of the law with regard arm to head contact is woefully inadequate and needs to be much more tighhtly regulated.

Football is different to most other sports in that a large percentage of decisions are always going to be subjective, and that is one of the reasons that VAR was always going to be problematic.  IFAB and national associations can always give guidance, but you will still have decisions that 50% of referees would give one way and 50% the other.  The only answer to that would be to say that any physical contact on an opponent is a foul, but I'm sure none of us want that.

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Re: A MADLEY - Tottenham v Man City
« Reply #14 on: Mon 06 Feb 2023 18:30 »
Apologies to DerbyLad90, I seem to have inadvertently pressed the "Dumb" button against his post above.
Can I assure him I had no intention of doing this and it was purely accidental.

Freudian slip ?