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Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
« Reply #15 on: Thu 22 Sep 2022 22:40 »
A very timely shakeup of the white badges! There were too many elder statesmen (in UEFA terms only I must admit!) operating at Cat 2, and this freshens it up nicely and gives 3 of our younger and brightest potential referees the opportunity to really progress in Europe.

Getting onto the list in your late 30s doesn’t afford enough time to realistically progress to elite, but these 3 all have bags of potential from what I’ve seen. Plus they’re all maximum 35 so have a credible amount of time to progress given the chance. Best of luck to them all!
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« Reply #16 on: Fri 23 Sep 2022 07:39 »
I am quite shocked! Tierney being removed really shouldn't be surprising he will never referee games at this stage- too old and not good enough. Coote and Bankes aren't going to be good enough either. Neither should really be used on VAR either as they are both petty useless at it.

Delighted to see Gillett, Jones and Brooks added to the list. Would have liked Hooper. Michael Salisbury seems to do well on VAR.

Would have liked Dan Robathan to replace Constantine Hatzidakis or Harry Lennard on the list.


Going to be strange seeing Tierney without a FIFA badge. Do Bankes and Coote and Salisbury get to have Badges as VAR's?


I think this is a perfect time to follow the example of some other countries and stop the wearing of FIFA badges for domestic football; they should only be worn for appropriate international competitions. The wearing of them domestically smacks too much of a sort of caste system for my liking but then my profession has all sorts of distinctive tokens to signify one's place in the hierarchy.  Special badges and clothes do not necessarily signify better practitioners.
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« Reply #17 on: Fri 23 Sep 2022 08:08 »
Good to see the shake up. All 3 seem very good referees.

Brooks is 31 so has the biggest opportunity given it is difficult to get to the premier league any time before 35 which is wrong really as at 31 players would be retiring not starting their career…… He also joins darren England  in being a badge holder on the line and now as a referee? How many others are there on that list which will not get any more names added….

Is The Australian the first to transfer from one federation to another?


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« Reply #18 on: Sun 25 Sep 2022 04:19 »
Probably Paul, Matt conger has gone back to the USA from NZ but i believe he is still listed as being from NZ. Alireza Faghani while living in Australia and refereeing  in Australia is still on the international panel from Iran and gets games representing Iran. 

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« Reply #19 on: Sun 25 Sep 2022 20:20 »
Going to be strange seeing Tierney without a FIFA badge. Do Bankes and Coote and Salisbury get to have Badges as VAR's?

They do get the FIFA Video Match Official badge, but they can only wear those badges when acting as VMOs. Given that PGMOL appointees don't wear match kit as VMOs then they won't really wear them. We may see their general return/debut on FIFA officials if they stick with WC2018 protocol that VARs wear the same match shirt as the referees.

Only badge that can be worn in any role on the refereeing team (R, AR, VMO) is the FIFA Referee badge, otherwise you can only wear the relevant badge (AR, VMO) when officiating in that role i.e. a FIFA badged AR can't wear their badge when refereeing, though with specialist roles it's increasingly rare to see ARs refereeing anyway, perhaps with the exception of Melissa Burgin in the Women's game who is a FIFA and WSL AR, but referees on the Women's Championship.
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« Reply #20 on: Mon 26 Sep 2022 09:21 »
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?
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« Reply #21 on: Mon 26 Sep 2022 11:44 »
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?


A very good question posed.  I think Pawson has probably reached his potential as an international referee. He is 43 years old now so I don't think is going to go much further. Kavanagh is 37 so has some years in which to advance. When he came onto SG1 some years ago he was believed to have the potential to go right to the very top, UEFA Elite and he still may achieve that but I don't think his progress has been quite as rapid and seamless as was once hoped.

Having said this I wonder how easy it has been for aspiring international referees when England has two such experienced and very well regarded  referees in Taylor and Oliver. They have been the natural picks when English referees have been appointed to major competitions and matches. Some years ago I felt that Joe Worrall was similarly disadvantaged in his international career when England had Courtney ( most deservedly ) and Hackett ( most undeservedly ) as the two senior English international referees. In the latter case I thought it really appalling in that, in every way, Worrall was a far superior referee to Hackett.

Of course there is nothing to say that a country cannot have three or more Elite referees, I believe Italy and Spain have done so, but it doesn't seem to happen for England.
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« Reply #22 on: Mon 26 Sep 2022 12:06 »
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.
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« Reply #23 on: Mon 26 Sep 2022 12:09 »
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?


A very good question posed.  I think Pawson has probably reached his potential as an international referee. He is 43 years old now so I don't think is going to go much further. Kavanagh is 37 so has some years in which to advance. When he came onto SG1 some years ago he was believed to have the potential to go right to the very top, UEFA Elite and he still may achieve that but I don't think his progress has been quite as rapid and seamless as was once hoped.

Having said this I wonder how easy it has been for aspiring international referees when England has two such experienced and very well regarded  referees in Taylor and Oliver. They have been the natural picks when English referees have been appointed to major competitions and matches. Some years ago I felt that Joe Worrall was similarly disadvantaged in his international career when England had Courtney ( most deservedly ) and Hackett ( most undeservedly ) as the two senior English international referees. In the latter case I thought it really appalling in that, in every way, Worrall was a far superior referee to Hackett.

Of course there is nothing to say that a country cannot have three or more Elite referees, I believe Italy and Spain have done so, but it doesn't seem to happen for England.

Spain have 4 elite refs. Italy 2 I think. Germany has 3, England has 2. France 3. English referees are disadvantaged in the fact that the english teams are some of the strongest and therefore the games available for English referees are limited.
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Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
« Reply #24 on: Mon 26 Sep 2022 19:53 »
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.


Gosh, you certainly hold to a counsel of perfection if you describe Kavanagh as " mediocre ". I don't think Attwell could ever be a UEFA Elite referee. He seems to have found his proper level already. I see potential in Darren England and I just don't know enough about John Brooks to make an informed comment about his potential to get to the very top.
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Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
« Reply #25 on: Mon 26 Sep 2022 22:48 »
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.


Gosh, you certainly hold to a counsel of perfection if you describe Kavanagh as " mediocre ". I don't think Attwell could ever be a UEFA Elite referee. He seems to have found his proper level already. I see potential in Darren England and I just don't know enough about John Brooks to make an informed comment about his potential to get to the very top.

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Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
« Reply #26 on: Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:05 »
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.


Gosh, you certainly hold to a counsel of perfection if you describe Kavanagh as " mediocre ". I don't think Attwell could ever be a UEFA Elite referee. He seems to have found his proper level already. I see potential in Darren England and I just don't know enough about John Brooks to make an informed comment about his potential to get to the very top.

I think Chris Kavanagh must have stolen JackSamuel21's lunch money, constant negativity

By mediocre I mean in terms of referees at the top level. Not going to make it to the elite for me. But is far better than a lot. Mediocre is probably slightly harsh way of describing it.

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Re: 2023 FIFA List Nominations
« Reply #27 on: Mon 26 Sep 2022 23:33 »
Could UEFA do more to develop English referees at international level outside Oliver/Taylor? Have Pawson/Kavanagh fulfilled their international potential so far and how many appointments have the referees beyond that had on-field as opposed to Fourth Official/VAR?

Pawson has had chances here and there but never really given as many chances as he could have been. Kavanagh is just a mediocre referee. Kavanagh maybe could be pushed more and I think Attwell should be as well.


Gosh, you certainly hold to a counsel of perfection if you describe Kavanagh as " mediocre ". I don't think Attwell could ever be a UEFA Elite referee. He seems to have found his proper level already. I see potential in Darren England and I just don't know enough about John Brooks to make an informed comment about his potential to get to the very top.

I think Chris Kavanagh must have stolen JackSamuel21's lunch money, constant negativity

By mediocre I mean in terms of referees at the top level. Not going to make it to the elite for me. But is far better than a lot. Mediocre is probably slightly harsh way of describing it.


To borrow a golfing term perhaps 'Par' might be a more generous way of describing someone whom one considers to be solidly in the middle ranking of a present cohort.

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« Reply #28 on: Tue 27 Sep 2022 10:59 »
Very pleased to see Jarred Gillett in that list!
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« Reply #29 on: Sun 16 Oct 2022 19:28 »
am I right that we have got 3 new refs added which will result in some being removed most notably Tierney anybody else?
Englands 1 of them plus brooks and 1 other hopefully they get a Uefa match asap