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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #60 on: Thu 04 Jun 2020 16:41 »
On a personal note I am not sure if it’s right to restart and, even as a City fan, would have been ok with Liverpool being awarded the title. However I do appreciate there are issues re relegation and promotion to sort out.
When it starts again any thoughts on appointments? City v Arsenal was down to be reffed by Jon Moss before lockdown. Do we feel that one of the biggies will now get the game to herald the restart, possibly Oliver or Dean?

I think travel distance may be a factor in appointing referees. As the current regulations stand, they would not be allowed to stay overnight either before or after the match - so would need to travel both ways on the same day. They should not be using public transport (train) and would not be allowed to share a car with somebody outside their household.

I don't think you will be seeing Oliver, Taylor or Dean in London or the south coast the rest of this season.  It would be interesting to see the geographical spread of the referees and what are their closest clubs. That will dictate a lot of the appointments!

It seems VAR will still be run from Stockley Park so presumably some officials will have to travel a fair way - I can't think of enough southern based SG1 officials to cover Stockley Park and games in London/South Coast. I guess they'll probably double up VAR officials quite a few times with most games being played in unique slots - e.g. on Saturday one VAR does the 12.30 and 17.30 games, another does the Saturday 16.00 and 20.00 games.

They'll have to work out a way for Newcastle to play down at Bournemouth and Brighton, and for Southampton to play away to Everton and Man Utd and so on, so you'd hope they'd have suitable protocols for match officials to travel where necessary. Otherwise we might end up with Simon Hooper on the FA Cup Final!  :o

Michael Oliver was due to referee Spurs V Man Utd and Mike Dean was down for Bournemouth V Crystal Palace so I guess we'll find out pretty quickly what the policy is.




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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #61 on: Thu 04 Jun 2020 17:23 »
And clubs will now have to pay out in expenses fees if they are not travelling together!

Premier League and Football League referees haven't been allowed to travel together for a long time.  Even if they live in the same town, or even next door to each other, they have to travel on their own.
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #62 on: Thu 04 Jun 2020 18:15 »
And clubs will now have to pay out in expenses fees if they are not travelling together!

Premier League and Football League referees haven't been allowed to travel together for a long time.  Even if they live in the same town, or even next door to each other, they have to travel on their own.

I thought the post was referring to the players not travelling together - obviously match officials would normally travel separately as you say but players would normally travel by plane/coach together, which i'm not sure can happen now.


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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #63 on: Thu 04 Jun 2020 18:59 »
And clubs will now have to pay out in expenses fees if they are not travelling together!

Premier League and Football League referees haven't been allowed to travel together for a long time.  Even if they live in the same town, or even next door to each other, they have to travel on their own.

I thought the post was referring to the players not travelling together - obviously match officials would normally travel separately as you say but players would normally travel by plane/coach together, which i'm not sure can happen now.

Ah right, I misunderstood.

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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #64 on: Thu 04 Jun 2020 20:34 »
On a personal note I am not sure if it’s right to restart and, even as a City fan, would have been ok with Liverpool being awarded the title. However I do appreciate there are issues re relegation and promotion to sort out.
When it starts again any thoughts on appointments? City v Arsenal was down to be reffed by Jon Moss before lockdown. Do we feel that one of the biggies will now get the game to herald the restart, possibly Oliver or Dean?

I think travel distance may be a factor in appointing referees. As the current regulations stand, they would not be allowed to stay overnight either before or after the match - so would need to travel both ways on the same day. They should not be using public transport (train) and would not be allowed to share a car with somebody outside their household.

I don't think you will be seeing Oliver, Taylor or Dean in London or the south coast the rest of this season.  It would be interesting to see the geographical spread of the referees and what are their closest clubs. That will dictate a lot of the appointments!

the southern teams are gonna be pretty limited if that's the case, there's only graham scott and simon hooper down south as far as I know.
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #65 on: Thu 04 Jun 2020 21:28 »
On a personal note I am not sure if it’s right to restart and, even as a City fan, would have been ok with Liverpool being awarded the title. However I do appreciate there are issues re relegation and promotion to sort out.
When it starts again any thoughts on appointments? City v Arsenal was down to be reffed by Jon Moss before lockdown. Do we feel that one of the biggies will now get the game to herald the restart, possibly Oliver or Dean?

I think travel distance may be a factor in appointing referees. As the current regulations stand, they would not be allowed to stay overnight either before or after the match - so would need to travel both ways on the same day. They should not be using public transport (train) and would not be allowed to share a car with somebody outside their household.

I don't think you will be seeing Oliver, Taylor or Dean in London or the south coast the rest of this season.  It would be interesting to see the geographical spread of the referees and what are their closest clubs. That will dictate a lot of the appointments!

the southern teams are gonna be pretty limited if that's the case, there's only graham scott and simon hooper down south as far as I know.

Attwell friend and Marriner are in the midlands and have that luxury of being right in the middle
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #66 on: Thu 04 Jun 2020 23:28 »
On a personal note I am not sure if it’s right to restart and, even as a City fan, would have been ok with Liverpool being awarded the title. However I do appreciate there are issues re relegation and promotion to sort out.
When it starts again any thoughts on appointments? City v Arsenal was down to be reffed by Jon Moss before lockdown. Do we feel that one of the biggies will now get the game to herald the restart, possibly Oliver or Dean?

I think travel distance may be a factor in appointing referees. As the current regulations stand, they would not be allowed to stay overnight either before or after the match - so would need to travel both ways on the same day. They should not be using public transport (train) and would not be allowed to share a car with somebody outside their household.

I don't think you will be seeing Oliver, Taylor or Dean in London or the south coast the rest of this season.  It would be interesting to see the geographical spread of the referees and what are their closest clubs. That will dictate a lot of the appointments!

So Hoops/Graham Scott for every AFCB home match left then! I'm ok with that!
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #67 on: Fri 05 Jun 2020 02:26 »
The thing for me is the total lack of competition integrity here. How is it fair, and where is the integrity, of increasing substitutions mid way through the season? We're ending with a competition that never started, and that just isn't fair across the board.
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #68 on: Fri 05 Jun 2020 08:18 »
On a personal note I am not sure if it’s right to restart and, even as a City fan, would have been ok with Liverpool being awarded the title. However I do appreciate there are issues re relegation and promotion to sort out.
When it starts again any thoughts on appointments? City v Arsenal was down to be reffed by Jon Moss before lockdown. Do we feel that one of the biggies will now get the game to herald the restart, possibly Oliver or Dean?

I think travel distance may be a factor in appointing referees. As the current regulations stand, they would not be allowed to stay overnight either before or after the match - so would need to travel both ways on the same day. They should not be using public transport (train) and would not be allowed to share a car with somebody outside their household.

I don't think you will be seeing Oliver, Taylor or Dean in London or the south coast the rest of this season.  It would be interesting to see the geographical spread of the referees and what are their closest clubs. That will dictate a lot of the appointments!

It seems VAR will still be run from Stockley Park so presumably some officials will have to travel a fair way - I can't think of enough southern based SG1 officials to cover Stockley Park and games in London/South Coast. I guess they'll probably double up VAR officials quite a few times with most games being played in unique slots - e.g. on Saturday one VAR does the 12.30 and 17.30 games, another does the Saturday 16.00 and 20.00 games.

They'll have to work out a way for Newcastle to play down at Bournemouth and Brighton, and for Southampton to play away to Everton and Man Utd and so on, so you'd hope they'd have suitable protocols for match officials to travel where necessary. Otherwise we might end up with Simon Hooper on the FA Cup Final!  :o

Michael Oliver was due to referee Spurs V Man Utd and Mike Dean was down for Bournemouth V Crystal Palace so I guess we'll find out pretty quickly what the policy is.

Newcastle to Bournemouth isn’t much further than London to Durham. Perhaps they need to speak to Dominic Cummings about travelling for 6 or 7 hours all in one day without any fuel or comfort stop 😛
The thought of Hooper on the F A CUp Final is the stuff of nightmares too 😱
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #69 on: Fri 05 Jun 2020 09:36 »
On a personal note I am not sure if it’s right to restart and, even as a City fan, would have been ok with Liverpool being awarded the title. However I do appreciate there are issues re relegation and promotion to sort out.
When it starts again any thoughts on appointments? City v Arsenal was down to be reffed by Jon Moss before lockdown. Do we feel that one of the biggies will now get the game to herald the restart, possibly Oliver or Dean?

I think travel distance may be a factor in appointing referees. As the current regulations stand, they would not be allowed to stay overnight either before or after the match - so would need to travel both ways on the same day. They should not be using public transport (train) and would not be allowed to share a car with somebody outside their household.

I don't think you will be seeing Oliver, Taylor or Dean in London or the south coast the rest of this season.  It would be interesting to see the geographical spread of the referees and what are their closest clubs. That will dictate a lot of the appointments!

So Hoops/Graham Scott for every AFCB home match left then! I'm ok with that!

Yes, I have visions of Mike Dean turning up ready changed at AFCB (? where do they stand on changing facilities?) for a 7.45pm KO, and then driving back to the North West after the game (? no hotels open?). At least it will be light at 4am. bmb - could you possibly put a tent up in your garden or does that constitute an overnight stay?  ;D   

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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #70 on: Fri 05 Jun 2020 12:02 »
The thing for me is the total lack of competition integrity here. How is it fair, and where is the integrity, of increasing substitutions mid way through the season? We're ending with a competition that never started, and that just isn't fair across the board.

I take your point but personally I think it's fairer than ending on Points Per Game or declaring a season 75% complete null and void.

I think there will be some difference caused by what has happened when we come back but I'd still expect 3 of the bottom 6 to get relegated and the top 4 to make the CL places so I'm not sure anyone can complain that much.

ultimately if you're currently 7th in the Championship then PPG means you're not in the play-offs and if you're currently top then null and void means you don't go up anyway, so neither can really complain about playing on and it being decided on the pitch.
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #71 on: Fri 05 Jun 2020 14:46 »
The thing for me is the total lack of competition integrity here. How is it fair, and where is the integrity, of increasing substitutions mid way through the season? We're ending with a competition that never started, and that just isn't fair across the board.

What would you think if another club was top of the table, say Man City, for example?
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #72 on: Fri 05 Jun 2020 15:27 »
On a personal note I am not sure if it’s right to restart and, even as a City fan, would have been ok with Liverpool being awarded the title. However I do appreciate there are issues re relegation and promotion to sort out.
When it starts again any thoughts on appointments? City v Arsenal was down to be reffed by Jon Moss before lockdown. Do we feel that one of the biggies will now get the game to herald the restart, possibly Oliver or Dean?

I think travel distance may be a factor in appointing referees. As the current regulations stand, they would not be allowed to stay overnight either before or after the match - so would need to travel both ways on the same day. They should not be using public transport (train) and would not be allowed to share a car with somebody outside their household.

I don't think you will be seeing Oliver, Taylor or Dean in London or the south coast the rest of this season.  It would be interesting to see the geographical spread of the referees and what are their closest clubs. That will dictate a lot of the appointments!

So Hoops/Graham Scott for every AFCB home match left then! I'm ok with that!

Yes, I have visions of Mike Dean turning up ready changed at AFCB (? where do they stand on changing facilities?) for a 7.45pm KO, and then driving back to the North West after the game (? no hotels open?). At least it will be light at 4am. bmb - could you possibly put a tent up in your garden or does that constitute an overnight stay?  ;D

Maybe Grandad East will come out of retirement hehe.
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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #73 on: Fri 05 Jun 2020 17:12 »
In Germany more than half of games have ended in away wins and any kind of home advantage has been removed, if not completely reversed.  Makes me wonder if some of the teams with vocal home support like Brighton, Newcastle and Palace will suffer when they restart.

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Re: 20/21 Season - when will we restart?
« Reply #74 on: Fri 05 Jun 2020 17:16 »
In Germany more than half of games have ended in away wins and any kind of home advantage has been removed, if not completely reversed.  Makes me wonder if some of the teams with vocal home support like Brighton, Newcastle and Palace will suffer when they restart.

They will undoubtedly suffer. And all the teams near the bottom have more home games left than away games.