Author Topic: 20/21 Season - when will we restart? (Read 5084 times)

Readingfan · « **Reply #30 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 14:09 »

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Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 19 May 2020 12:14
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What is football without the fans?
Just a thought, there are probably more people in the world who don't give a damn about football than there are fanatics like us lot on here.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not aching for the 2am alarm calls to watch City in countless empty stadiums devoid of any emotion. With the numbers of people still dying from this in the 500s, to resume the PL season just so Liverpool can win it properly is just morally reprehensible.
I do wonder if the same luxury would be afforded if it were say Chelsea, or Manchester City, sitting pretty at the top of the league.

I think Liverpool are the easiest part to solve of all this because it's clear they'll win the title either way.

It's what you do about relegation and promotion and the European places that is more complex and why the season should be completed if it can be.

Scrap relegation. The current placings determine European spots, subject to Man City's appeal hearing. Simple

...Or just play the rest of the season and have it decided that way!

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #31 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 15:32 »

Watford, Burnley and Brighton have all apparently now been affected by the virus (BBC), and this will affect the ability of these clubs (and others?) to fulfill their remaining fixtures as staff are required to go into quarantine. I suggest the remainder of the season is scrapped. Liverpool can be confirmed as worthy champions (as with Celtic in Scotland), with the other places determined on a points-per-game basis, perhaps weighted to take account of the fact that some clubs will have played Liverpool and Man City twice, others only once. First three up and last three down, with no playoffs, except in L2 where the first four could be promoted to take account of Bury's demise following promotion last season, Stevenage would be reprieved and Barrow promoted. Any thoughts?

bmb · « **Reply #32 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 15:34 »

Quote from: flipmode on Wed 20 May 2020 01:43

Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 19 May 2020 12:14
Quote from: flipmode on Tue 19 May 2020 05:29
What is football without the fans?
Just a thought, there are probably more people in the world who don't give a damn about football than there are fanatics like us lot on here.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not aching for the 2am alarm calls to watch City in countless empty stadiums devoid of any emotion. With the numbers of people still dying from this in the 500s, to resume the PL season just so Liverpool can win it properly is just morally reprehensible.
I do wonder if the same luxury would be afforded if it were say Chelsea, or Manchester City, sitting pretty at the top of the league.

Let's leave the anti-Liverpool stuff at the door, we are referees/ex referees and we are better than that... That goes for all clubs, not just Liverpool, we are meant to be unbiased remember...

IMO it has absolutely nothing to do with letting Liverpool win the league properly and 99% to do with money. TV monies that will have to be paid back, both by the clubs and the PL, sponsorship money and a fair amount of taxes lost if it doesn't continue. Any decision for the league to finish will be down to TV contracts and money. There is also the small matter of European competitions and who will qualify for those. Any country not who has concluded the league, with clear places earned (by points per game, playing the games or whatever other options are open for them to decide) will not be included in next seasons competitions, that is hell of a lot of revenue lost for the clubs who would be there as well as the prestige etc. There's also the small matter of relegation to be determined. Not sure you can have no relegation whilst simultaneously having a top 6 (or however many Euro places there are). Huge loss of revenue for the 3 relegated clubs which has to be a priority consideration. If they go down on their own merit (or lack thereof!) then it's on them but to go down because someone has flipped a coin and said unlucky lads off you go it's a completely different matter.

Liverpool have earned the right to win the title this season, they have been absolutely phenomenal. I don't support them as you know but I believe it would be a travesty for them to have the title taken away from them, they deserve it. They can try and replicate and win it outright properly the next season we have if the season concluded here & now but I really believe that they deserve it, on merit.

bmb · « **Reply #33 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 15:50 »

Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Wed 20 May 2020 15:32

Watford, Burnley and Brighton have all apparently now been affected by the virus (BBC), and this will affect the ability of these clubs (and others?) to fulfill their remaining fixtures as staff are required to go into quarantine. I suggest the remainder of the season is scrapped. Liverpool can be confirmed as worthy champions (as with Celtic in Scotland), with the other places determined on a points-per-game basis, perhaps weighted to take account of the fact that some clubs will have played Liverpool and Man City twice, others only once. First three up and last three down, with no playoffs, except in L2 where the first four could be promoted to take account of Bury's demise following promotion last season, Stevenage would be reprieved and Barrow promoted. Any thoughts?

There are also some clubs with players refusing to return to training due to not wanting to place their families at risk. Troy Deeney from Watford for one, who has a 5 month old baby boy who has had/does suffer with breathing problems. Completely understandable on his part & it's quite right, imo, that he puts his baby 1st.

One of the only ways to really do it is maybe to quarantine the players away from their families for the duration of getting the games played. Harsh on them & their families but maybe a choice they will have to make. There are thousands of police officers, NHS staff and other key workers doing exactly that every day and for a much longer time period.

In Hungary my club has given all the players the option of going into isolation with just their teammates if they would prefer, for the sake of their families. The club owns an apartment block where the players all live so the players can move into empty apartments if they chose to. I don't know about other clubs but I expect they will all have a similar option. The referees and AR's have all been moved into a hotel in Vecsés and placed in isolation for the next 5/6 weeks away from their families. The cost is being covered by the Federation and was adopted because they do not wish to place any family members at risk. I think all of the Federation staff, who are back at work, are also in the hotel and testing is being done on them every 2-3 days. Not sure what will happen if 1 of them tests positive mind!

Readingfan · « **Reply #34 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 16:07 »

Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Wed 20 May 2020 15:32

Watford, Burnley and Brighton have all apparently now been affected by the virus (BBC), and this will affect the ability of these clubs (and others?) to fulfill their remaining fixtures as staff are required to go into quarantine. I suggest the remainder of the season is scrapped. Liverpool can be confirmed as worthy champions (as with Celtic in Scotland), with the other places determined on a points-per-game basis, perhaps weighted to take account of the fact that some clubs will have played Liverpool and Man City twice, others only once. First three up and last three down, with no playoffs, except in L2 where the first four could be promoted to take account of Bury's demise following promotion last season, Stevenage would be reprieved and Barrow promoted. Any thoughts?

I don't think yesterday's news is going to make any difference. 6 out of 748 is less than 1% and we know at least three of them were non-playing staff so from the perspective of completing fixtures it won't make much difference. I think the players who have tested positive will need to quarantine for 7 days - such small numbers are unlikely to really have any impact on a team's ability to fulfil their fixtures. When do a team ever have a fully fit squad to choose from? One or two players testing positive will be regarded like one player having a hamstring injury and another a shoulder injury. We're going to have small numbers of positive tests across society for months - there were a number of positive tests in German football but that still returned at the weekend It's when/if the situation becomes more severe or the transmission more widespread that it might have an impact.

The Burnley assistant coach was asymptomatic. If football hadn't returned then presumably he wouldn't have been tested and found out he had the virus. I think there are many places in society that carry more risk than football.

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #35 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 16:24 »

Quote from: Readingfan on Wed 20 May 2020 16:07

Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Wed 20 May 2020 15:32
Watford, Burnley and Brighton have all apparently now been affected by the virus (BBC), and this will affect the ability of these clubs (and others?) to fulfill their remaining fixtures as staff are required to go into quarantine. I suggest the remainder of the season is scrapped. Liverpool can be confirmed as worthy champions (as with Celtic in Scotland), with the other places determined on a points-per-game basis, perhaps weighted to take account of the fact that some clubs will have played Liverpool and Man City twice, others only once. First three up and last three down, with no playoffs, except in L2 where the first four could be promoted to take account of Bury's demise following promotion last season, Stevenage would be reprieved and Barrow promoted. Any thoughts?

I don't think yesterday's news is going to make any difference. 6 out of 748 is less than 1% and we know at least three of them were non-playing staff so from the perspective of completing fixtures it won't make much difference. I think the players who have tested positive will need to quarantine for 7 days - such small numbers are unlikely to really have any impact on a team's ability to fulfil their fixtures. When do a team ever have a fully fit squad to choose from? One or two players testing positive will be regarded like one player having a hamstring injury and another a shoulder injury. We're going to have small numbers of positive tests across society for months - there were a number of positive tests in German football but that still returned at the weekend It's when/if the situation becomes more severe or the transmission more widespread that it might have an impact.

The Burnley assistant coach was asymptomatic. If football hadn't returned then presumably he wouldn't have been tested and found out he had the virus. I think there are many places in society that carry more risk than football.

But it's not just the staff who have tested positive who will need to quarantine if symptoms emerge but also all recent contacts, and that for 14 days rather than 7. That's why thousands of contact tracers are being appointed. If it were not for that, I would agree with bmb and isolate players and staff until the fixtures are completed.

Readingfan · « **Reply #36 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 16:39 »

From BBC report - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52744883

'Players and staff who have tested positive will now self-isolate for seven days.'

The rest of the team will not have to but will continue to be tested.

This line is also striking - '"If it wasn't for the fact I had gone back to training and had this test, then I'd never have found out that I had the virus and I would just be getting on with things as normal. That's obviously quite a strange thought.'

For players picking the virus up in the wider community returning to training and being tested could make it safer for them and their families rather than increasing the risk.

I think the plan might be to have players stay overnight before a game. That way, you know that everyone has been tested and not been in contact with anyone else and you can be as confident as you can that no one on the pitch has got the virus before the players return to their family.

I think quarantining players in hotels to finish this season could be viable but I suppose they want something that works for the longer term and doing it for potentially the whole of next season probably isn't so feasible.

rustyref · « **Reply #37 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 17:15 »

Quote from: flipmode on Wed 20 May 2020 01:43

Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 19 May 2020 12:14
Quote from: flipmode on Tue 19 May 2020 05:29
What is football without the fans?
Just a thought, there are probably more people in the world who don't give a damn about football than there are fanatics like us lot on here.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not aching for the 2am alarm calls to watch City in countless empty stadiums devoid of any emotion. With the numbers of people still dying from this in the 500s, to resume the PL season just so Liverpool can win it properly is just morally reprehensible.
I do wonder if the same luxury would be afforded if it were say Chelsea, or Manchester City, sitting pretty at the top of the league.

I don't buy this thing that is is just so Liverpool can win it. Germany have restarted, Spain have restarted training, Italy are planning to complete the season.

If it can be done safely then why not? With the amount of testing that everyone involved will have there will be less risk playing a game of football than there will be going shopping at your local Tesco.

bmb · « **Reply #38 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 17:26 »

Quote from: Readingfan on Wed 20 May 2020 16:39

This line is also striking - '"If it wasn't for the fact I had gone back to training and had this test, then I'd never have found out that I had the virus and I would just be getting on with things as normal. That's obviously quite a strange thought.'

I think that shows just how easily and quickly this awful virus can be unwittingly spread. Sobering.

bmb · « **Reply #39 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 17:58 »

Quote from: rustyref link=topic=1491.msg17602#msg17602

I don't buy this thing that is is just so Liverpool can win it. Germany have restarted, Spain have restarted training, Italy are planning to complete the season.

Hungary restart this weekend, just watched the last training match. Scheduled to finish June 27th, Bulgaria are back from June 6th - July 17th. Season 20/21 starts there on July 24th. Latvia league back in training, Polish league due to start any day now & Russia is back from June 21. Serbia are on their way back as well. Not checked on Slovakia or Romania but suspect they are in line with the rest of Eastern Europe. Bulgaria the only ones that I know have a 100% firm date for next season to start.

TVOS · « **Reply #40 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 20:39 »

Quote from: flipmode on Wed 20 May 2020 01:43

Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 19 May 2020 12:14
Quote from: flipmode on Tue 19 May 2020 05:29
What is football without the fans?
Just a thought, there are probably more people in the world who don't give a damn about football than there are fanatics like us lot on here.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not aching for the 2am alarm calls to watch City in countless empty stadiums devoid of any emotion. With the numbers of people still dying from this in the 500s, to resume the PL season just so Liverpool can win it properly is just morally reprehensible.
I do wonder if the same luxury would be afforded if it were say Chelsea, or Manchester City, sitting pretty at the top of the league.

Probably.

TVOS · « **Reply #41 on:** Wed 20 May 2020 20:40 »

Quote from: ajb95 on Wed 20 May 2020 12:59

Quote from: Readingfan on Wed 20 May 2020 08:53
Quote from: flipmode on Wed 20 May 2020 01:43
Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 19 May 2020 12:14
Quote from: flipmode on Tue 19 May 2020 05:29
What is football without the fans?
Just a thought, there are probably more people in the world who don't give a damn about football than there are fanatics like us lot on here.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not aching for the 2am alarm calls to watch City in countless empty stadiums devoid of any emotion. With the numbers of people still dying from this in the 500s, to resume the PL season just so Liverpool can win it properly is just morally reprehensible.
I do wonder if the same luxury would be afforded if it were say Chelsea, or Manchester City, sitting pretty at the top of the league.

I think Liverpool are the easiest part to solve of all this because it's clear they'll win the title either way.

It's what you do about relegation and promotion and the European places that is more complex and why the season should be completed if it can be.

Scrap relegation. The current placings determine European spots, subject to Man City's appeal hearing. Simple

I'm fed up with reading all this "scrap relegation" nonsense. Why?

bmb · « **Reply #42 on:** Thu 21 May 2020 12:26 »

Graphic showing which leagues are back and which aren't. These are only leagues that are members of the European League Association, which Hungary isn't a member of seemingly!

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1263396697297870848

Readingfan · « **Reply #43 on:** Thu 21 May 2020 15:11 »

EFL have said their recommendations are that if the season can't be completed in any division, the league standings should be decided on unweighted average points per game, promotion and relegation should still happen, and the play-offs should still be played (if possible) with the usual 4 teams.

TVOS · « **Reply #44 on:** Thu 21 May 2020 22:31 »

Quote from: Readingfan on Thu 21 May 2020 15:11

EFL have said their recommendations are that if the season can't be completed in any division, the league standings should be decided on unweighted average points per game, promotion and relegation should still happen, and the play-offs should still be played (if possible) with the usual 4 teams.

Here's a novel idea. Why not just promote the top three in the Championship and League 1 and the top four in League 2?

I'm surprised it's never been done before!

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