Author Topic: 2 similar incident 2 different sanctions (Read 845 times)

ajb95 · « **on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 12:10 »

Would love to hear posters views on these two incidents, two different referees and two different outcomes

DOGSO. Red card for M City given by A Marriner. DOGSO Leicester v Arsenal, yellow given by M Oliver

I have only seen the MOTD highlights and I think Laporte can deem himself a little unlucky despite the pace of Zaha

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #1 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 12:18 »

I can't ajb95 although I'm sure I can be accused of bias, being a longstanding Palace fan. Marriner was correct to send off Laporte, but I believe Oliver was wrong not to issue a red card in the game at Leicester. It appears that VAR Gillett did not intervene in the Leicester game to suggest to Michael that he was making a mistake, and I wonder why not?

ARF · « **Reply #2 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 14:13 »

Agree with AT - red for Laporte correct, but surprised that Evans wasn't sent off, and even more surprised that VAR didn't intervene!

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RCG · « **Reply #3 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 14:20 »

I watched the Leicester game live and said yellow when it happened, mainly because the ball was played forward from distance, actually bounced a good 6 or 7 yards from where the Arsenal player would have been and although a good attacking chance, was not, at that moment a clear goal scoring chance. Referees call - VAR correct not to intervene.
I was somewhat surprised Marriner produced red but can see the arguments for it, especially the fact the Palace player was closer to the ball. Would VAR have intervenrned if AM had gone yellow? I dont think so.
Therefore, PGMO and the FA need to come out and give clear guidance/explanation why one was and one wasnt.

Readingfan · « **Reply #4 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 15:03 »

Quote from: RCG on Sun 31 Oct 2021 14:20

I watched the Leicester game live and said yellow when it happened, mainly because the ball was played forward from distance, actually bounced a good 6 or 7 yards from where the Arsenal player would have been and although a good attacking chance, was not, at that moment a clear goal scoring chance. Referees call - VAR correct not to intervene.
I was somewhat surprised Marriner produced red but can see the arguments for it, especially the fact the Palace player was closer to the ball. Would VAR have intervenrned if AM had gone yellow? I dont think so.
Therefore, PGMO and the FA need to come out and give clear guidance/explanation why one was and one wasnt.

I will start with the caveat that I cannot see the incidents for myself. But based on your post and other things I've heard, it sounds like both could be considered borderline decisions which perhaps fell into the area of 'umpire's call'.

I felt MOTD made too much of the comparison, especially as it involved delaying discussion of one incident for 3 games. I've always felt the notion that every decision in every game needs to tally perfectly with each other a bit unrealistic. Judgements are often a gut instinct based on a range of marginal factors in the moment. And it's not as if VAR intervened on one but not the other.

Ref Fan · « **Reply #5 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 15:21 »

The so called comparison on MotD had no depth to it in my view. There are surely a number of factors a referee has to take on board in coming to a decision pretty quickly - are there any covering defenders; what was the pace of the ball, was it on the ground or in the air; how far ahead of the attacker was the ball if he didn't have control of it; how far from goal was it; could the GK possibly have got there first? Was the direction of play broadly towards goal?

Personally I agree with those who consider it 'Referee's Call' and therefore VAR was correct in not considering either a clear and obvious error. It's unfortunate perhaps that the two referees came to different decisions when the 2 incidents would inevitably be compared. I'll miss what Dermot and the pundits have to say about it on Monday but will no doubt find out later.

Mikael W · « **Reply #6 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 16:48 »

Both are crystal clear DOGSO red cards. Both should be gotten right on the FoP (and to Marriner's merit, he did) and if not, VAR should intervene to recommend a RC. Oliver and Gillett made poor mistakes.

Football gets really p*ssed off with 'us' when we lecture them why "yellow card is still acceptable", "VAR was correct to support", "not clear and obvious", blah blah blah, and overcomplicate simple situations / decisions.

GingerReferee · « **Reply #7 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 17:08 »

Quote from: Mikael W on Sun 31 Oct 2021 16:48

Both are crystal clear DOGSO red cards. Both should be gotten right on the FoP (and to Marriner's merit, he did) and if not, VAR should intervene to recommend a RC. Oliver and Gillett made poor mistakes.

Football gets really p*ssed off with 'us' when we lecture them why "yellow card is still acceptable", "VAR was correct to support", "not clear and obvious", blah blah blah, and overcomplicate simple situations / decisions.

I meant to press agree as that is exactly Mt thoughts

Boz · « **Reply #8 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 19:03 »

From an opposite partisan viewpoint to Acme Thunderer, I was at the game and surprised at the time when Mr Marriner produced a red card, as he'd been very lackadaisical about cracking down on the Palace keeper time-wasting from the moment they took the lead, until he finally produced a YC in the 86th minute. Having now reviewed the footage, I can see why he did and VAR didn't overturn, though wouldn't accept it was a crystal clear red, given that Walker who was about level with the incident and is no slouch might have covered Zaha when he got past Laporte.

Irishref1985 · « **Reply #9 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 19:11 »

Felt neither were red cards to be honest.... I see Lee Mason was VAR at City... That's enough said....

RCG · « **Reply #10 on:** Sun 31 Oct 2021 19:37 »

Quote from: Irishref1985 on Sun 31 Oct 2021 19:11

Felt neither were red cards to be honest.... I see Lee Mason was VAR at City... That's enough said....

Mason may have been guilty of many things in his time (taking a full time wage for being a referee may be one 😆)
But....
No VAR is going to even ask AM to have a look at that decision as it is likely to be right and most definitely not wrong to require correction

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #11 on:** Mon 01 Nov 2021 08:35 »

Totally agree RCG. It was the Oliver / Gillett combination that was wrong on this occasion, not Marriner / Mason.

Affy_Moose · « **Reply #12 on:** Mon 01 Nov 2021 09:32 »

Quote from: Irishref1985 on Sun 31 Oct 2021 19:11

Felt neither were red cards to be honest.... I see Lee Mason was VAR at City... That's enough said....

We're better than this. If you want to imply incompetence, then Twitter will happily welcome your views.

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