Author Topic: "Off you pop" - Mike Dean's 100th red card (Read 3339 times)

Readingfan · « **Reply #30 on:** Sun 10 Feb 2019 21:58 »

In terms of Dean's international career, I think that BMB is right that he was a bit unfortunate in terms of the quality of English referees around at the time.

I'd also say that Dean really accelerated later on in his career - I think that he was the best referee in terms of consistency between 2008 and (around) 2014, by which time he was in his early 40s.

Of course he was a perfectly good referee before that but I think he really stepped it up in that period - I suppose you could perhaps ask the question as to whether some officials have benefited domestically from not officiating at the top level internationally. I don't think Alan Wiley ever made the FIFA list but I would put him as one of the top Premier League referees alongside Dean.

rustyref · « **Reply #31 on:** Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:04 »

I think he is still one of the best we have. Yes he is now in his 50s, and yes he is a bit flamboyant, but he very rarely makes a serious mistake. As long as he can still keep his current level of fitness up, and he was right on top of things today, why should he even consider giving up?

BabyRef · « **Reply #32 on:** Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:09 »

For many years I have thought of him as the best 'big game' referee we have - someone who is not swayed by a cauldron atmosphere and seems to thrive in it.

His SFP detection is also very good - can think of several examples where he has shown very brave RCs early on in a game (including Martin Taylor on Eduardo)

Readingfan · « **Reply #33 on:** Mon 11 Feb 2019 14:50 »

Quote from: rustyref on Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:04

I think he is still one of the best we have. Yes he is now in his 50s, and yes he is a bit flamboyant, but he very rarely makes a serious mistake. As long as he can still keep his current level of fitness up, and he was right on top of things today, why should he even consider giving up?

I agree that he's been one of the best referees this season, after a below-par season or two previously - he's also been supported very well by his assistants.

I heard a discussion about refereeing on the radio earlier in the season where the presenter suggested that he believed this was intended to be Mike Dean's final season - I don't know whether that's correct or if circumstances might have changed. I hope Mike Dean considers refereeing for another year because of his form this season (he could potentially get to 500 Premier League games in that case!) but if he thinks it's right to end now or wants to go out on a high then that would be understandable too. He'll certainly be missed whenever he stops.

In the Premier League era, I presume that Mike Dean has refereed he most number of games? Can anyone advise of who is in second place?

Grahamexref · « **Reply #34 on:** Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:19 »

Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 11 Feb 2019 14:50

Quote from: rustyref on Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:04
I think he is still one of the best we have. Yes he is now in his 50s, and yes he is a bit flamboyant, but he very rarely makes a serious mistake. As long as he can still keep his current level of fitness up, and he was right on top of things today, why should he even consider giving up?

I agree that he's been one of the best referees this season, after a below-par season or two previously - he's also been supported very well by his assistants.

I heard a discussion about refereeing on the radio earlier in the season where the presenter suggested that he believed this was intended to be Mike Dean's final season - I don't know whether that's correct or if circumstances might have changed. I hope Mike Dean considers refereeing for another year because of his form this season (he could potentially get to 500 Premier League games in that case!) but if he thinks it's right to end now or wants to go out on a high then that would be understandable too. He'll certainly be missed whenever he stops.

In the Premier League era, I presume that Mike Dean has refereed he most number of games? Can anyone advise of who is in second place?

Mike Dean has refereed the most PL games, in the modern era, followed by Martin Atkinson (approx 100 games fewer); the next three in order are, I believe, Graham Poll (329), Phil Dowd (307) and Howard Webb (297).

Readingfan · « **Reply #35 on:** Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:33 »

Quote from: Grahamexref on Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:19

Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 11 Feb 2019 14:50
Quote from: rustyref on Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:04
I think he is still one of the best we have. Yes he is now in his 50s, and yes he is a bit flamboyant, but he very rarely makes a serious mistake. As long as he can still keep his current level of fitness up, and he was right on top of things today, why should he even consider giving up?

I agree that he's been one of the best referees this season, after a below-par season or two previously - he's also been supported very well by his assistants.

I heard a discussion about refereeing on the radio earlier in the season where the presenter suggested that he believed this was intended to be Mike Dean's final season - I don't know whether that's correct or if circumstances might have changed. I hope Mike Dean considers refereeing for another year because of his form this season (he could potentially get to 500 Premier League games in that case!) but if he thinks it's right to end now or wants to go out on a high then that would be understandable too. He'll certainly be missed whenever he stops.

In the Premier League era, I presume that Mike Dean has refereed he most number of games? Can anyone advise of who is in second place?

Mike Dean has refereed the most PL games, in the modern era, followed by Martin Atkinson (approx 100 games fewer); the next three in order are, I believe, Graham Poll (329), Phil Dowd (307) and Howard Webb (297).

Thanks - although it just occurred to me that Andre Marriner might have made the cut because I seem to remember hearing the commentator saying for the Huddersfield V Man City game recently that he'd received a presentation before the match as it was his 300th game?

Grahamexref · « **Reply #36 on:** Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:43 »

Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:33

Quote from: Grahamexref on Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:19
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 11 Feb 2019 14:50
Quote from: rustyref on Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:04
I think he is still one of the best we have. Yes he is now in his 50s, and yes he is a bit flamboyant, but he very rarely makes a serious mistake. As long as he can still keep his current level of fitness up, and he was right on top of things today, why should he even consider giving up?

I agree that he's been one of the best referees this season, after a below-par season or two previously - he's also been supported very well by his assistants.

I heard a discussion about refereeing on the radio earlier in the season where the presenter suggested that he believed this was intended to be Mike Dean's final season - I don't know whether that's correct or if circumstances might have changed. I hope Mike Dean considers refereeing for another year because of his form this season (he could potentially get to 500 Premier League games in that case!) but if he thinks it's right to end now or wants to go out on a high then that would be understandable too. He'll certainly be missed whenever he stops.

In the Premier League era, I presume that Mike Dean has refereed he most number of games? Can anyone advise of who is in second place?

Mike Dean has refereed the most PL games, in the modern era, followed by Martin Atkinson (approx 100 games fewer); the next three in order are, I believe, Graham Poll (329), Phil Dowd (307) and Howard Webb (297).

Thanks - although it just occurred to me that Andre Marriner might have made the cut because I seem to remember hearing the commentator saying for the Huddersfield V Man City game recently that he'd received a presentation before the match as it was his 300th game?

You could well be correct, I only had figures available until the end of 2017, hence I did not quote exact figures for Dean and Atkinson; Marriner may well have passed the 300 mark by now !. Thanks for pointing that out.

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #37 on:** Mon 11 Feb 2019 17:03 »

Quote from: Grahamexref on Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:19

Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 11 Feb 2019 14:50
Quote from: rustyref on Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:04
I think he is still one of the best we have. Yes he is now in his 50s, and yes he is a bit flamboyant, but he very rarely makes a serious mistake. As long as he can still keep his current level of fitness up, and he was right on top of things today, why should he even consider giving up?

I agree that he's been one of the best referees this season, after a below-par season or two previously - he's also been supported very well by his assistants.

I heard a discussion about refereeing on the radio earlier in the season where the presenter suggested that he believed this was intended to be Mike Dean's final season - I don't know whether that's correct or if circumstances might have changed. I hope Mike Dean considers refereeing for another year because of his form this season (he could potentially get to 500 Premier League games in that case!) but if he thinks it's right to end now or wants to go out on a high then that would be understandable too. He'll certainly be missed whenever he stops.

In the Premier League era, I presume that Mike Dean has refereed he most number of games? Can anyone advise of who is in second place?

Mike Dean has refereed the most PL games, in the modern era, followed by Martin Atkinson (approx 100 games fewer); the next three in order are, I believe, Graham Poll (329), Phil Dowd (307) and Howard Webb (297).

My initial post on this thread indicated that Dean had refereed 470 PL games (now 471 of course), Atkinson 367 (368), Poll 329 and Dowd 308 (although this might have included Phil's last game at ? Burnley when he limped off part way through the game). So Andre Marriner may well be approaching Phil Dowd's total and 4th place.

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #38 on:** Mon 11 Feb 2019 17:05 »

Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Mon 11 Feb 2019 17:03

Quote from: Grahamexref on Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:19
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 11 Feb 2019 14:50
Quote from: rustyref on Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:04
I think he is still one of the best we have. Yes he is now in his 50s, and yes he is a bit flamboyant, but he very rarely makes a serious mistake. As long as he can still keep his current level of fitness up, and he was right on top of things today, why should he even consider giving up?

I agree that he's been one of the best referees this season, after a below-par season or two previously - he's also been supported very well by his assistants.

I heard a discussion about refereeing on the radio earlier in the season where the presenter suggested that he believed this was intended to be Mike Dean's final season - I don't know whether that's correct or if circumstances might have changed. I hope Mike Dean considers refereeing for another year because of his form this season (he could potentially get to 500 Premier League games in that case!) but if he thinks it's right to end now or wants to go out on a high then that would be understandable too. He'll certainly be missed whenever he stops.

In the Premier League era, I presume that Mike Dean has refereed he most number of games? Can anyone advise of who is in second place?

Mike Dean has refereed the most PL games, in the modern era, followed by Martin Atkinson (approx 100 games fewer); the next three in order are, I believe, Graham Poll (329), Phil Dowd (307) and Howard Webb (297).

My initial post on this thread indicated that Dean had refereed 470 PL games (now 471 of course), Atkinson 367 (368), Poll 329 and Dowd 308 (although this might have included Phil's last game at ? Burnley when he limped off part way through the game). So Andre Marriner may well be approaching Phil Dowd's total and 4th place,

with every likelihood that he will move into 3rd place ahead of Graham Poll.

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #39 on:** Mon 11 Feb 2019 17:07 »

B****r, I've cocked up the quotes again. Senior moment, sorry

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #40 on:** Tue 12 Feb 2019 15:56 »

Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Mon 11 Feb 2019 17:03

Quote from: Grahamexref on Mon 11 Feb 2019 15:19
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 11 Feb 2019 14:50
Quote from: rustyref on Sun 10 Feb 2019 22:04
I think he is still one of the best we have. Yes he is now in his 50s, and yes he is a bit flamboyant, but he very rarely makes a serious mistake. As long as he can still keep his current level of fitness up, and he was right on top of things today, why should he even consider giving up?

I agree that he's been one of the best referees this season, after a below-par season or two previously - he's also been supported very well by his assistants.

I heard a discussion about refereeing on the radio earlier in the season where the presenter suggested that he believed this was intended to be Mike Dean's final season - I don't know whether that's correct or if circumstances might have changed. I hope Mike Dean considers refereeing for another year because of his form this season (he could potentially get to 500 Premier League games in that case!) but if he thinks it's right to end now or wants to go out on a high then that would be understandable too. He'll certainly be missed whenever he stops.

In the Premier League era, I presume that Mike Dean has refereed he most number of games? Can anyone advise of who is in second place?

Mike Dean has refereed the most PL games, in the modern era, followed by Martin Atkinson (approx 100 games fewer); the next three in order are, I believe, Graham Poll (329), Phil Dowd (307) and Howard Webb (297).

My initial post on this thread indicated that Dean had refereed 470 PL games (now 471 of course), Atkinson 367 (368), Poll 329 and Dowd 308 (although this might have included Phil's last game at ? Burnley when he limped off part way through the game). So Andre Marriner may well be approaching Phil Dowd's total and 4th place.

With a fair wind and continued fitness, Mike should reach the 500 PL games next season, should he not? And with one of those much-discussed and much-maligned gongs to follow, I suggest.

Thanks bmb for righting my latest ****-up

SuffolkRef · « **Reply #41 on:** Tue 12 Feb 2019 18:32 »

Quote from: bmb on Sun 10 Feb 2019 17:15

Quote from: SuffolkRef on Sun 10 Feb 2019 13:57
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 10 Feb 2019 13:48
Quote from: Whistleblower on Sat 09 Feb 2019 21:43
Mike Dean is a better referee than Keith Hackett ever was without the slightest shadow of doubt.

And significantly more mobile!! Yes Dean has lost some of his speed but he’s probably still twice as fast at the age of 50 than Hackett was in his ‘prime’, if you can call it that!!

Hackett laboured around the pitch and carried far too much bulk.

For reasons that I will never know, Hackett had a more successful FIFA career.

Dean certainly had a more “European” style of officiating than the majority of others than I have seen in the English game.

The timing was lousy for Dean or he would have probably had a better FIFA career himself. When he was 1st category he had Clatts, Howard Webb & Martin Atkinson ahead of him in the elite group. All excellent referees who had decent FIFA careers and time on their side in terms of none would be retiring while he was still young enough to replace them. We had that phase where we had more than enough referees to be good enough to be considered for elite whereas now, you just need to be in the right age bracket! Ok that's not all required but you know what I mean!

He had Poll, Barber and Bennett ahead of him to begin with. I expect that age counted against him when Atkinson, Clattenburg and Webb arrived.

TheThingFromLewes · « **Reply #42 on:** Wed 27 Feb 2019 14:41 »

I see Hackett has had another swipe at the Card Shark from the Wirral.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/02/25/mike-deans-confidence-has-turned-arrogance-needs-tone-body/

Again, why is Hackett getting involved. I couldn't care less about the mannerisms as long as the decisions are correct.

Matt · « **Reply #43 on:** Wed 27 Feb 2019 20:16 »

Quote from: Charlieboy on Wed 27 Feb 2019 17:26

Not usually a fan of mr Hackett however I agree with every single word in that piece, it was balanced fair and correct , mr dean is a good referee , but he does court the limelight and that’s not a referees job so while I agree with the thing from Lewes about decision making ,I disagree with you on the mannerisms , mr deans are way ott and clearly not just a mannerism but more a quest to be noticed and that is not his job I’m afraid. He should stick to what he’s good at and that is making the right decisions.

That's what makes Mike Dean Mike Dean.

If you notice, in any sport, be it football, rugby, ice hockey, american football etc, the referees that display character and not a wooden side are the referees that are more liked by players and spectators alike.

This assumption that you should referee without character or a personality is wrong.

Whistleblower · « **Reply #44 on:** Wed 27 Feb 2019 21:09 »

I very much agree with Matt. In the world of Rugby Union, it is pretty generally acknowledged that Nigel Owens is just about the best of this and indeed any generation. Because Rugby referees are miked up we get a good sense of their personality. It might be argued that Mr Owens' Welsh banter is irritating to some ears...but it reflects his personality which helps make him the great referee that he is. I think it's substantially the same with Mike Dean and many of the referees who do not conceal their character in their refereeing.

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