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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #15 on: Sat 10 Aug 2019 18:48 »
Just for TTFL - Berke wore blue, Farkas in black! The message is getting through! LOL
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #16 on: Sat 10 Aug 2019 18:56 »
YOUR FAULT EDWARD!!!!!!!!!

Paks v Budapest Honvéd
2019.08.11 - 18:00
Paks, Paksi Fc Stadion
Ref: Karakó Ferenc
4O: Bornemissza Norbert
AR: Albert István, Georgiou Theodoros
AAR: Solymosi Péter, Zierkelbach Péter

Puskás Akadémia v Mol Fehérvár
2019.08.11 - 18:00
Felcsút, Puskás Akadémia Pancho Aréna
Ref: Kassai Viktor
4O: Vígh-Tarsonyi Gergő
AR: Tóth II. Vencel, Berettyán Péter
AAR: Pintér Csaba, Szilasi Szabolcs

DVSC v Kisvárda Master Good
2019.08.11 - 18:00
Debrecen, Debreceni Nagyerdei Stadion (Nagyerdei Stadion)
Ref: Andó-Szabó Sándor
4O: Varga Zsolt
AR: Buzás Balázs, Szert Balázs
AAR: Iványi Zoltán, Erdős József

bmb does get her 3rd #SolymosiWatch in 4 days but...

I can't believe that Puhl actually reads my comments.........
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #17 on: Sat 10 Aug 2019 22:40 »
So today's ramblings.

Berke Balázs - great game from this young man. Man management decent, foul detection decent, consistent, fitness excellent, great rapport with the players. He is by far the best all round ref of the 3 young FIFA referees (Farkas & Karakó being the other 2 younger ones). Absolutely nothing to comment on!

Farkas has a reasonable game, mostly. Pen shout by Lilák that he correctly waved away. 4 bookings, 3 of them for my team that were all absolutely spot on. Most of his decision making was decent & an acceptable level of consistency. Fitness is superb, great positioning but he made a dreadful key match error that was game changing. Branko slid in to try and kick the ball out towards the touchline, mistimed the whole thing and it shimmied off of his shin towards the goalie instead. It was in no way a deliberate back pass, the player didn't kick it, it bounced off of him as he slid by and I think Mr Farkas is going to be very disappointed with himself when he sees it back, the goalie picked it up because he knew it wasn't a deliberate back pass and Farkas blew up and gave an indirect free kick on the goal area line. Extremely poor decision. A goal was subsequently scored and it went from 1-0 to Lilák to 1-1. Just dreadful & directly altered the course of the game. Thankfully lilák got a winner and what a peach of a goal it was as well! 7.9 for him due to the game changing error. He also booked our coach, mid way through the second half.  I can't comment on if it was right ot not because Nebojša is my friend, someone I care a lot about & it's not a decision I can look at without a huge amount of bias! I don't think therefore it is right for me to comment on it. Nebojša was quite animated at times though and spoke to the 4th official several times so maybe he said something out of order. I'm speaking to him now & he's not commented on it even though I have moaned about it 3 times so far!! Whatever he said or did in training though this week worked, our team were dreadful last week and that is being kind - completely different team turned up today & they were absolutely superb! DVTK is a great place to go, the stadium is gorgeous and the fans there are brilliant. Very noisy, very passionate but also very friendly. It was a brilliant game to watch. Just tainted a bit by that one dreadful decision.

I will add as a general thing - We need to get Berke promoted to category 2 from next Jan, imo he is the one who should be taking over the elite spot when Kassai retires. Such a natural referee. Very fair and honest ref on the pitch, his knowledge & application of the LOTG is just superb.  He does still make some silly mistakes but he is still developing. Time is running out, next year is Kassais official last year although I suspect he will get a +1 year if not 2 x +1 years. Farkas is the only one in a position currently to take over but he is far too inconsistent still & there is no Category 1 spot open in any event.  I'd bin Vad, we need to free up a Category 1 spot & Bognár is head & shoulders ahead of him. He had a superb game in Denmark on Thursday with the important Russian observer, Krill someone. I'm pretty certain a high mark & great report will have gone back to UEFA ivory towers. I'd also bin Karakó, there are too many question marks over his integrity after the incident with Király last season, like Andó-Szabó before him he is not going anywhere in UEFA terms. He is far too error prone & inconsistent as well. There is/was potential there but he's simply not developing & trust in him is understandably gone due to that dreadful uproar with Király. I'd promote Berke to category 2, and have him working with Viktor to learn from him, appoint Viktor as his mentor. Stick him on Viktor's team as an AAR but also have Viktor as his AAR to help guide him. His EL debut, he was amazing, was so proud of him.  Flawless performance. I'd then give Bogár Gergő & Pillók Ádám their white badges in category 3 to replace Vad & Karakó. Neither are probably ready yet to be fair, Bogár is ahead in developmental terms, he is a superb young referee.  They would benefit so much from the additional UEFA training as well, both are quick learners & I can see them developing quickly with that added guidance.  I'd actually appoint Solymosi Péter as an added coach to them domestically, he's near the end of his career so prolong it & have him as AAR to them in games, let him work with them off the pitch as well. The wise old head from a steady if not spectacular ref. I know he is a qualified observer because he has done a game in the NB3 although the rules have changed and you can't observe now while still active. Good opportunity to develop him as a coach for when he does hang up his whistle, he'd be a huge asset to the MLSz.

So if someone from the MLSz JB is reading here - how about it? Let's get developing the youth now, we have some good potential there & half a dozen superb young AR's who already have their FIFA badges. We have enough to get 3 brilliant match official teams going, 1 elite team & 2 category 1 teams. I'm quite excited about what the future could hold for our refs with these youngsters coming through but we need to start developing them at the next level now. Bognár & Vad both retire the year after Viktor, or the same time as him if he has a +1 year.

Edy what is our allocation in terms of Cat 2 & 3? I know we have 6 in total, 1 elite, 2 Cat 1 but not sure on the Cat 2 & 3 make up for the other 3?
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #18 on: Sun 11 Aug 2019 08:20 »

Edy what is our allocation in terms of Cat 2 & 3? I know we have 6 in total, 1 elite, 2 Cat 1 but not sure on the Cat 2 & 3 make up for the other 3?

Elite: Victor Kassai
1st Group: Tamas Bognár, Istvan Vad.
2nd Group: Ádám Farkas
3rd Group: Balázs Berke, Ferenc Karakó

Berke is new FIFA with only 6 months on the list. He is very difficult to be promoted on 2nd group. It is more likely next summer as long as he continues a good development (that means more appointments on the league).

I agree about Vad. He should be demoted. Or removed from the list to open space. He never recovered from the mistake on Euro 2012. Bognar is definitely no2 now.
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #19 on: Sun 11 Aug 2019 18:03 »

Edy what is our allocation in terms of Cat 2 & 3? I know we have 6 in total, 1 elite, 2 Cat 1 but not sure on the Cat 2 & 3 make up for the other 3?

Elite: Victor Kassai
1st Group: Tamas Bognár, Istvan Vad.
2nd Group: Ádám Farkas
3rd Group: Balázs Berke, Ferenc Karakó

Berke is new FIFA with only 6 months on the list. He is very difficult to be promoted on 2nd group. It is more likely next summer as long as he continues a good development (that means more appointments on the league).

I agree about Vad. He should be demoted. Or removed from the list to open space. He never recovered from the mistake on Euro 2012. Bognar is definitely no2 now.

Can we have 2 at Cat 2 & 1 at Cat 3, was more what I meant by in terms of what is our allocation. I know we currently have 2 Cat 3 & 1 Cat 2.

Berke should have been promoted instead of Karakó, who is not fit to lace his boots for him. Never did understand why an unknown NB2 ref was given his white badge ahead of a really exciting youngster.  He'd been on the FIFA list 2 months before he was promoted to the NB1 & he is dreadful 9/10! Watching him now & he has been completely ineffective & weak again.  He has allowed my team to foul Remili about 30 times so far & not even a word, clear dive from Batik - nothing. It's like watching an amateur league referee.

You're right on Vad. There again I have always considered Bognár ahead of him, even pre his huge error in 2012!
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #20 on: Sun 11 Aug 2019 18:42 »

Edy what is our allocation in terms of Cat 2 & 3? I know we have 6 in total, 1 elite, 2 Cat 1 but not sure on the Cat 2 & 3 make up for the other 3?

Elite: Victor Kassai
1st Group: Tamas Bognár, Istvan Vad.
2nd Group: Ádám Farkas
3rd Group: Balázs Berke, Ferenc Karakó

Berke is new FIFA with only 6 months on the list. He is very difficult to be promoted on 2nd group. It is more likely next summer as long as he continues a good development (that means more appointments on the league).

I agree about Vad. He should be demoted. Or removed from the list to open space. He never recovered from the mistake on Euro 2012. Bognar is definitely no2 now.

Can we have 2 at Cat 2 & 1 at Cat 3, was more what I meant by in terms of what is our allocation. I now we currently have 2 Cat 3 & 1 Cat 2.

Berke should have been promoted instead of Karakó, who is not fit to lace his boots for him. Never did understand why an unknown NB2 ref was given his white badge ahead of a really exciting youngster.  He'd been on the FIFA list 2 months before he was promoted to the NB1 & he is dreadful 9/10! Watching him now & he has been completely ineffective & weak again.  He has allowed my team to foul Remili about 30 times so far & not even a word, clear dive from Batik - nothing. It's like watching an amateur league referee.

You're right on Vad. There again I have always considered Bognár ahead of him, even pre his huge error in 2012!

You can have all of them at 2nd Group. There is no limit. I remember a case where Romania had 4 2nd Group and none on 3rd Group (thanks to Kyros).

If you deem Karakó as non-fit, then IMO he should be removed. But the real issue is that Hungary should search for referees born 1987-1988 to put on the list. They will have more chances to progress on the categories if they are 32-33-34.
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #21 on: Sun 11 Aug 2019 19:08 »
That's good to know! I would definitely bin Vad & Karakó this year & replace them with Ádám Pillók who is 31 and Gergő Bogár who turned 27 last week!
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #22 on: Sun 11 Aug 2019 19:53 »
As for this afternoon's game:

Andó-Szabó (back shirt): Steady performance from him. No big decisions to make. He plodded along nicely along with the game. No controversies. Won't be the hardest game he gets all season, did what he needed to, when he needed to do it.

Viktor Kassai (Red shirt): Decent start to the season from our top ref in a game known to frequently be full of issues! Strong & decisive as he needed to be. Decision making superb, fitness top notch, positioning excellent, man-management spot on. Did dish out a couple of great looks! Correct call on a pen for Mol Fehérvár.

Karakó (black shirt): Woefully inadequate! Dreadfully weak performance, decision making - inconsistent, man-management - non existent. 1st half alone Kispest fouled Remili at least 20 times, obviously targeted/tactical fouling and he didn't even have a word. Batik should have been booked for an utterly shameful dive, again not even a word. Batik was finally shown a yellow card & it was a correct call, 3 mins later he was sent off. Now if it was a 2nd yellow then it was correct, if it was a straight red then it wasn't.  Reason for the confusion is at no point was he seen to show a 2nd yellow, just the red. On one replay he can be seen putting his yellow card in his pocket as he shows the red so it may well be that he was out of camera shot when he showed it, I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Card technique is woeful at best though & we have been here with him before - the incident with Király immediately springs to mind! No complaints with the yellows for Konyves, Ikenne-King & Uzoma, all good calls. End of the game he virtually ran off of the pitch without his team. He's the 1st ref I have seen in several years of watching the NBI now who did not line up with his team after the game & shake players hands.  Maybe he needed to pee but it looked highly unprofessional! His team were caught unaware and were left trotting after him from various positions to try and catch him up.

This is where I just really don't get Mr Puhl.  He was a great referee in his day & always demanded a high standard of himself & of his team, he was also very professional in his conduct & behaviour. Yet there are 2 referees in particular, Vad & Karakó, who let him down week in week out, it's not a 1 off poor game, we all have those & you can accept them but it's every single week, every single game. A good or even an acceptable performance is the exception rather than the rule but he seems to do nothing about it. Vad should have been binned years ago, Karakó should have never been promoted in the first place. I wish he would apply the same standards to the referees under his charge as he did to himself.
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #23 on: Sun 11 Aug 2019 20:15 »
On a very big plus note - 10 games so far this season. Both of Fradi's games have been postponed to give them the chance to prepare better for the UCL, the MLSz are ace for that sort of thing. Shirt count: Black - 5; Blue - 2; Red - 3. Sárga - 0!! Whoever is behind that - you are awesome!
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #24 on: Sun 11 Aug 2019 21:13 »
Just to correct myself up there ^^^^

1. The Russian observer was Nikolay Levnikov, father of Kirill!
2. It was Litauszki Róbert, that shimmied the ball, not Branko, in the Lilák game. Still was the wrong decision by Farkas though!
3. Having just rewatched the game I am very disappointed to have to say Mr Farkas was correct to give Nebojša a yellow card. He had wandered about 1 foot onto the pitch, when issuing instructions, 4th official spoke to him as he wandered back and Nebojša shouted at him. Don't know what he shouted as it was in Serbian but he should not have been shouting at him in any event! Said coach has been given a bmb reprimand! His reply was "well you only told me I had to be nice to Péter & György, you didn't mention the other 4, and I was nice to the 2 you said I had to be...". bmb reprimand upgraded to a full bmb bollocking! Sort of answer I expect from my smart-mouthed teenager, not super coach!
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #25 on: Mon 12 Aug 2019 16:24 »

3. Having just rewatched the game I am very disappointed to have to say Mr Farkas was correct to give Nebojša a yellow card. He had wandered about 1 foot onto the pitch, when issuing instructions, 4th official spoke to him as he wandered back and Nebojša shouted at him. Don't know what he shouted as it was in Serbian but he should not have been shouting at him in any event! Said coach has been given a bmb reprimand! His reply was "well you only told me I had to be nice to Péter & György, you didn't mention the other 4, and I was nice to the 2 you said I had to be...". bmb reprimand upgraded to a full bmb bollocking! Sort of answer I expect from my smart-mouthed teenager, not super coach!

In fairness to coach, when one of our players went to challenge György Ring over a throw in decision, he stopped him from doing so & literally shoved him back onto the pitch & told him to get on with the game! The video is quite funny.

https://www.facebook.com/392016870930528/videos/2400738496653876/
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #26 on: Tue 13 Aug 2019 17:12 »
Just to correct myself up there ^^^^

1. The Russian observer was Nikolay Levnikov, father of Kirill!

The Russian observer was Nikolai Ivanov (FIFA ref until 2009). IIRC he was only a Premier Development referee and nothing more.
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #27 on: Tue 13 Aug 2019 17:52 »
Just to correct myself up there ^^^^

1. The Russian observer was Nikolay Levnikov, father of Kirill!

The Russian observer was Nikolai Ivanov (FIFA ref until 2009). IIRC he was only a Premier Development referee and nothing more.

Well I almost got it right! Whoever he was he should have been pleased with he saw on the pitch from Bognár Tamás & team!
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #28 on: Fri 16 Aug 2019 16:03 »
Ok I admit - this week, right here & right now I love Mr Puhl! No seriously!

DVSC v ZTE
2019.08.17 – 17:00
Debrecen, Debreceni Nagyerdei Stadion (Nagyerdei Stadion)
Ref: Kassai Viktor
4O: Georgiou Theodoros
AR: Szalai Balázs, Márkus Tamás
AAR: Pillók Ádám, Lovas László

Ferencváros v Kaposvári Rákóczi
2019.08.17 – 19:30
Budapest, Groupama Aréna
Ref: Iványi Zoltán
4O: Albert István
AR: Ring György, Varga Zsolt
AAR: Karakó Ferenc, Zierkelbach Péter

Mezőkövesd Zsóry v Puskás Akadémia
2019.08.17 – 19:30
Mezőkövesd, Mezőkövesd Városi Stadion
Ref: Bognár Tamás
4O: Berettyán Péter
AR: Buzás Balázs, Kóbor Péter
AAR: Molnár Attila, Nazsa Tamás

Mol Fehérvár v DVTK
2019.08.17 – 19:30
Székesfehérvár, Mol Aréna Sóstó
Ref: Bogár Gergő
4O: Király Krisztián
AR: Huszár Balázs, Szalai Dániel
AAR: Szőts Gergely, Vad II. István

Újpest v Paks
2019.08.17 – 19:30
Budapest, Illovszky Rudolf Stadion
Ref: Solymosi Péter
4O: Szert Balázs
AR: Garai Péter, Bornemissza Norbert
AAR: Berke Balázs, Ducsai József

Budapest Honvéd v Kisvárda Master Good
2019.08.17 – 19:30
Budapest, Új Hidegkuti Nándor Stadion
Ref: Pintér Csaba
4O: Vígh-Tarsonyi Gergő
AR: Tóth II. Vencel, Becséri Gergely
AAR: Szilasi Szabolcs, Kulcsár Katalin

Despite Edy's best attempts to put me on the naughty step, I get #SolymosiWatch on my Lilák. Thanks Mr Puhl, you're the best!

Nice to see Kulcsár Katalin back domestically after her decent showing in the WWC in the summer.  Now if only Mr Puhl could show us we are a progressive Federation & appoint her to referee a match, that would be just awesome. She has earned the chance on merit!
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Re: NB1 Appointments Season 19/20
« Reply #29 on: Fri 16 Aug 2019 18:10 »
Ok, I'll admit. I prefer bmb happy.

I would like to ask mr Puhl to appoint Solymosi every week. Oh and bin Vad and Karakó. That's it.
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