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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #15 on: Wed 22 Jan 2020 22:34 »
Does seem to suggest that poor officiating in the first place leads to players getting frustrated and then the cards flourish. Kettle and Young fall nicely into that bracket.

Kettle, Young and Breakspear are all very poor referees. It's no co-incidence that they all hold individual card records !!
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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #16 on: Wed 22 Jan 2020 22:35 »
To be fair to Alan Young the Northampton defender certainly handled the ball for the Leyton Orient penalty.  It was a pity that Young missed the shove in the back that the defender received in that incident.

A pity ? Yes.   Surprising ?  No.

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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #17 on: Thu 23 Jan 2020 00:03 »
A general theme seems to be prominent on these boards... the puzzle of how Young has managed to be elevated into the NL when the majority of his performances scrutinised here draw very bad reviews.

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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #18 on: Thu 23 Jan 2020 08:59 »
A general theme seems to be prominent on these boards... the puzzle of how Young has managed to be elevated into the NL when the majority of his performances scrutinised here draw very bad reviews.

Even more puzling is why he was given such a high profile ( For Division 1 ) top of the table clash at Ipswich towards the end of last year. Just about the most senior match which could be awarded to a NL referee and one in which he amply displayed his complete inability to officiate at anything remotely like a level of basic competence.

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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #19 on: Thu 23 Jan 2020 10:17 »
To be fair to Alan Young the Northampton defender certainly handled the ball for the Leyton Orient penalty.  It was a pity that Young missed the shove in the back that the defender received in that incident.

I was at the match, watching with interest.
He appeared blindsided for the 'handball' that lead to the penalty so was unable to see the push in the back, that caused the handball, which is shown clearly on the video.
Prior to that, early in the first half he could/should have red carded a Leyton player for very serious foul play instead of just a caution.  It probably fell, wrongly, into the "too early" category which didn't enhance him with the crowd or players.

Regarding the red cards following the penalty, having seen the footage from behind the goal it appears that our player forcefully attempted to retrieve the ball from a home player who was running away with it in hand.  Another home player came in at speed and 'rugby tackled' our player into the advertising hoardings.  Obviously a melee occurred, which looked mainly handbags but our player and the rugby tackler were red carded which was probably a justifiable sanction.
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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #20 on: Thu 23 Jan 2020 21:03 »
Does seem to suggest that poor officiating in the first place leads to players getting frustrated and then the cards flourish. Kettle and Young fall nicely into that bracket.

Kettle, Young and Breakspear are all very poor referees. It's no co-incidence that they all hold individual card records !!
Whilst i agree regarding mr young who i have not yet seen have a decent match, Messrs kettle and Breakspear have been fine the last few times ive seen them, far from the very poor rating you attribute to them.

Have you seen Kettle officiate when he was in his "prime" of ruining games as a spectacle in the last decade?

Many contributors on here have witnessed his wayward maverick tendencies, coupled with games where he completely ruined games as a spectacle for the paying customers.

I will admit he has had good games in the past, but the games which have been adversely affected by him have been done so in a spectacular fashion.

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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #21 on: Fri 24 Jan 2020 15:55 »
Leyton (x1) and Northampton (x2) charged with failing to control their players.
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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #22 on: Sun 26 Jan 2020 11:22 »
A general theme seems to be prominent on these boards... the puzzle of how Young has managed to be elevated into the NL when the majority of his performances scrutinised here draw very bad reviews.

Even more puzzling is why he was given such a high profile ( For Division 1 ) top of the table clash at Ipswich towards the end of last year. Just about the most senior match which could be awarded to a NL referee and one in which he amply displayed his complete inability to officiate at anything remotely like a level of basic competence.

I don't find it puzzling at all. As Chief Executive Officer of Bedfordshire FA, he is one of the plethora of FA cronies that have found their way onto the Football League lists of Referees and Assistant Referees, even outnumbering teachers !

Oh for the days of butchers (especially), bakers and candlestick makers !

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Re: Sat 18th – Tue 21st JAN 2020
« Reply #23 on: Sun 26 Jan 2020 13:04 »
Have only seen it live, and thought at the time it looked 'soft', but once given it has to be a Red Card.

Indeed, due to the delay I wonder if the AR gave it?
I do miss the flag across the chest signal which makes it obvious.

After that I thought that Mr Breakspear was very inconsistant.

Everybody knew that the next Peterborough foul would lead to a caution and it did, although it was no where as bad as what had gone previously.
He then let numerous similar challenges go from both sides before realising he had to get control and cautioning for a very minor offence.

This led to the crowd, but more importantly the players losing a lot of respect for him and his decisions, and nobody knew what was a foul or a caution.

As an aside, what role can the 4th official have in decision making?

A clash right in front of the dug-outs with claim from the bench for handball.
It was obvious that the ref or assistant couldn't see because of the players blocking their view, but after a delay a free kick was given.
Again, the benches confronted the 4th official who had perhaps inadvertantly given the decision.
Is this allowed?

After having a look I agree that the call has come from his AR. It's a foul, he was pushed in the back. The reaction of Phillips when the penalty was awarded (to me) showed that he knew he got busted. The flare up from the players was the sanction of a red card. The question: If attacker was not pushed by Phillips did they have a clear header on goal? Answer: Yes.
It may have been a 'soft' push, but it prevented a potential goal scoring opportunity.