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AFC Fylde (First Team) v Stratford Town FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Copeland, Steven
Assistant Referee: Strain, Darren
Assistant Referee: Ball, Anthony
Fourth Official: Wyatt, Benjamin

AFC Telford United (First Team) v Farsley Celtic FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Massey-Ellis, Robert
Assistant Referee: Billingham, Mark
Assistant Referee: Hathaway, Robert
Fourth Official: Durnall, Steve

Aldershot Town FC (First Team) v Bedford Town (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Jackson, Scott
Assistant Referee: Williams, Scott
Assistant Referee: Berrow, Alan
Fourth Official: Kyle, Stu

Altrincham FC (First Team) v Stockport County FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Swallow, Elliott
Assistant Referee: Eley, Richard
Assistant Referee: Kane, Samuel
Fourth Official: Elliott, Tom

Barnet FC (First Team) v Bath City FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Pollard, Christopher
Assistant Referee: Jackson, Oliver
Assistant Referee: Barry, Shaun
Fourth Official: Bloxham, Jack

Barrow AFC (First Team) v FC Halifax Town (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Miller, Andrew
Assistant Referee: Atkinson, Ben
Assistant Referee: Gray, Alex
Fourth Official: Gordon, Jack

Biggleswade Town (First Team) v Wealdstone FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Miles, Jacob
Assistant Referee: Benn, Lisa
Assistant Referee: Cooke, Thomas
Fourth Official: Laing, Derrick

Boreham Wood FC (First Team) v Torquay United FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Hulme, Richard
Assistant Referee: Gill, Sunny (Sukhvir)
Assistant Referee: Barnett, Craig
Fourth Official: WAS, Jonathan

Brackley Town FC (First Team) v Hayes & Yeading United FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Whitton, Robert
Assistant Referee: Crofts, Joshua
Assistant Referee: Ricardo, Ruebyn
Fourth Official: Dadley, Robbie

Bromley FC (First Team) v Sutton United FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Allison, Samuel (Sam)
Assistant Referee: Geary, Darin
Assistant Referee: Farmer, Aaron
Fourth Official: Kaye, Elliott

Carshalton Athletic FC (First Team) v Dorking Wanderers FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Hughes, Steven
Assistant Referee: Marsh, Michael
Assistant Referee: Onita, Aurel
Fourth Official: Bartlett, Conall

Chesterfield FC (First Team) v Basford United FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Hull, Joe
Assistant Referee: Chester, Martin
Assistant Referee: Wainman, Thomas
Fourth Official: Jones, David

Dover Athletic FC (First Team) v Havant & Waterlooville FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Oldham, James
Assistant Referee: Chard, Michael
Assistant Referee: Farrer, Shaun
Fourth Official: Walker, Greig

Eastbourne Borough FC (First Team) v Dorchester Town FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Buonassisi, Matty Bishop, Tom
Assistant Referee: Emery, Alexander
Assistant Referee: Pollington, Matthew
Fourth Official: Lowe, Peter

Ebbsfleet United FC (First Team) v Dagenham & Redbridge FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Reeves, Tom
Assistant Referee: Knox, Darren
Assistant Referee: Head, Ryan
Fourth Official: Myatt, Christopher

Harrogate Town FC (First Team) v YORK CITY (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Dicicco, Matthew
Assistant Referee: Brown, Conor
Assistant Referee: Duckworth, Edward
Fourth Official: Tankard, Anthony Carr, David

Hemel Hempstead Town FC (First Team) v Eastleigh FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Wood, Lloyd
Assistant Referee: Danaher, Tom
Assistant Referee: Ellsmore, Tom
Fourth Official: Warren, George

Hereford FC (First Team) v Billericay Town (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Howes, Mark
Assistant Referee: Genders, Andrew
Assistant Referee: Davies, Reece
Fourth Official: Barrow, Simon  Cockle, Robert

Lancaster City FC or Guiseley AFC (First Team) v Blyth Spartans AFC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Jackson, Aaron
Assistant Referee: Burrows, Michael Hawksby, Nicholas
Assistant Referee: Clark, Alex
Fourth Official: Hart, Glen

Leamington FC (First Team) v Hartlepool United FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Doughty, Leigh
Assistant Referee: Chalkley, Scott
Assistant Referee: Walker, Timothy
Fourth Official: Williams, Ollie

Leyton Orient FC (First Team) v Beaconsfield Town FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Finnie, Will
Assistant Referee: Evans, Paul
Assistant Referee: Bradley, Alexander
Fourth Official: Pope, Jamie

Maidenhead United FC (First Team) v Oxford City FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Brook, Carl
Assistant Referee: Bennett, Andy
Assistant Referee: Loe, Andy
Fourth Official: Morris, Richard


Salford City FC (First Team) v Gateshead FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Rhodes, Garreth
Assistant Referee: Hull, Alan
Assistant Referee: Burgess, Adam
Fourth Official: Hitchell, Daniel


Salisbury FC (First Team) v Braintree Town FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Atkin, Ryan T
Assistant Referee: Cox, Robin
Assistant Referee: Begley, Michael
Fourth Official: BAKER, Adam


Southport FC (First Team) v Solihull Moors FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Kitchen, Andrew
Assistant Referee: Scholes, Matthew
Assistant Referee: Turner, Iain
Fourth Official: Porter, Christopher

Spennymoor Town FC (First Team) v Barwell FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Smith, Lewis
Assistant Referee: Topp, Jake
Assistant Referee: Salmons, Kieron
Fourth Official: East, Matthew

Truro City FC (First Team) v Weston Super Mare FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Staynings, Philip
Assistant Referee: Clench, Jack
Assistant Referee: Smith, Roger
Fourth Official: Robertson, Scott

Weymouth FC (First Team) v Needham Market F.C. (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Lamport, Daniel
Assistant Referee: Kane, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Harris, Adrian
Fourth Official: Flynn, Daniel


Wingate & Finchley FC (First Team) v Dulwich Hamlet (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Cartmel, Wayne
Assistant Referee: Higgs, Alastair
Assistant Referee: Bolland, Jonathan
Fourth Official: Pope, Anthony

Woking FC (First Team) v Maidstone United FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Quelch, Adrian
Assistant Referee: Vallance, James
Assistant Referee: Ablitt, Robert
Fourth Official: Small, Barrie

Workington AFC (First Team) v Ramsbottom United FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Barrott, Samuel
Assistant Referee: Holbrook, David
Assistant Referee: Sinclair, Leslie
Fourth Official: Hopper, Graeme

Wrexham FC (First Team) v Boston United FC (CoE) (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Mather, Simon
Assistant Referee: Sowerby, Matthew
Assistant Referee: Fryer, Martyn
Fourth Official: Maskrey, Jonathan
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Tue 18th Dec 2018
Maidenhead United FC (First Team) v Oxford City FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Smith, Josh
Assistant Referee: Smith, Michael
Assistant Referee: Greaves, Tristan
Fourth Official: Cresswell, Alan


Salford City FC (First Team) v Gateshead FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Rhodes, Garreth
Assistant Referee: Hull, Alan
Assistant Referee: Burgess, Adam
Fourth Official: Brown, Adam

Weymouth FC (First Team) v Needham Market F.C. (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Lamport, Daniel
Assistant Referee: Kane, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Harris, Adrian
Fourth Official: Whitfield, Nigel





Replays

Tue 18th Dec 2018
Bedford Town (First Team) v Aldershot Town FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Rock, David
Assistant Referee: Jerden, Gary
Assistant Referee: Harrison, David
Fourth Official: Crofts, Joshua

Havant & Waterlooville FC (First Team) v Dover Athletic FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Middleton, Daniel
Assistant Referee: Marks, Louis
Assistant Referee: Desborough, Mike
Fourth Official: Robinson, James


Maidstone United FC (First Team) v Woking FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Brook, Carl
Assistant Referee: Bandara, Damith
Assistant Referee: Evans, Robert
Fourth Official: Dempster, Kane

Ramsbottom United FC (First Team) v Workington AFC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Jackson, Aaron
Assistant Referee: Griffiths, Luis
Assistant Referee: Herzog, Michael
Fourth Official: Johnson, Kieran

Salisbury FC (First Team) v Braintree Town FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Hughes, Steven
Assistant Referee: Scriven, Craig
Assistant Referee: Begley, Michael
Fourth Official: BAKER, Adam
« Last Edit: Tue 18 Dec 2018 16:42 by aaa »

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Weymouth v Needham Market won't be happening. Needham Market have scratched because they don't have enough players available, which seems an odd situation for a team playing in the FA Trophy.

Also Aldershot have so many first-teamers unavailable they are sending their Youth Team to Bedford (now that sort of information could help you clean up at the bookies!)

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Weymouth v Needham Market won't be happening. Needham Market have scratched because they don't have enough players available, which seems an odd situation for a team playing in the FA Trophy.

Also Aldershot have so many first-teamers unavailable they are sending their Youth Team to Bedford (now that sort of information could help you clean up at the bookies!)

Why don’t they just supplement the first teamers they do have with youth players, like other teams do on a regular basis?

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Weymouth v Needham Market won't be happening. Needham Market have scratched because they don't have enough players available, which seems an odd situation for a team playing in the FA Trophy.

Also Aldershot have so many first-teamers unavailable they are sending their Youth Team to Bedford (now that sort of information could help you clean up at the bookies!)

Why don’t they just supplement the first teamers they do have with youth players, like other teams do on a regular basis?

The local view:

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/wilkins-slams-football-asscociation-and-weymouth-after-needham-s-forced-withdrawal-from-fa-trophy-1-5821671


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Further to a hastily convened committee meeting on today's date we wish to record our clubs position with regard to the rearrangement of our FA Trophy fixture against Weymouth FC.

We consider that it is completely unreasonable to attempt to play this fixture on Tuesday 18th December.

Our players and staff had to take a half day's leave from their employment on Friday 14th December to travel down to Weymouth. For us to request that our players and staff take a further one and a half or two days leave on Tuesday and Wednesday (18th /19th December) in the week preceding Xmas is considered unfair on them and their employers.

Having experienced the travelling time on Friday / Saturday (14th / 15th) which resulted in a journey slightly in excess of seven hours each way, it would be necessary to leave Needham Market at 11.00 am on Tuesday 18th and arrive back at the club at approximately 05.30 am on the morning of Wednesday 19th. Factor in that a number of our players reside in north Norfolk, this would result in additional travelling in excess of one hour for those players, which makes it apparent that two days holiday would be required for them.

In addition, and after looking at the weather forecast for the South coast area, it is extremely likely that the match will, once again, be postponed.

In view of the above we therefore request that the match is played on Saturday 22nd or 29th December. Should the 29th be preferable to Weymouth, and in view of the fact that date for subsequent matches in this tournament is mid-January we offer to play the match to conclusion (extra time & penalties) should it be necessary. This offer will not apply should the fixture be rearranged for the 22nd.

We consider that this decision fails to take account of the practical problems that would be incurred and, in addition, fails to display even a basic level of common sense. If rules are to be applied in such an unconsidered manner then the FA Panel should be replaced by a computer !

Co-operation from Weymouth which has sadly been lacking plus making the necessary arrangements with the Evostick League would have enabled the fixture to proceed as per our proposals but unfortunately self interest has prevailed.

Apologies, once again and thank you in anticipation of your ongoing support.


Some valid points there.
« Last Edit: Tue 18 Dec 2018 17:36 by nemesis »
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I think both the club and the manager make very valid points. Travel times at this time of year are always higher than you expect with weather and shoppers, plus the short notice to get time off is a very important point, players have other full time commitments. A disappointing result.
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I think both the club and the manager make very valid points. Travel times at this time of year are always higher than you expect with weather and shoppers, plus the short notice to get time off is a very important point, players have other full time commitments. A disappointing result.

Yes, poor, as usual, from the FA.

Ironically, it would almost certainly have been called off again but probably not until they were well on their way.

They did manage to pick up 3 points last night in their re-instated home league match with Redditch.
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Not sure what the alternative was though.  If you enter a national competition you know you could face long journeys, potentially midweek in the event of replays / postponed games.  The FA Trophy rule on postponements makes it clear what happens if a Saturday game is postponed, as below …

(c) First matches which are Postponed
(i) When a first match has been postponed, it shall be played on the same ground on or before the following Thursday.


So it couldn't be played the following Saturday, even taking aside the fact that both teams would have league games scheduled that day anyway, so the only option is midweek.  Will be interesting to see whether The FA accept their reason for withdrawal as reasonable, as otherwise they will be banned from next year's competition.

(c) If a Club decides to withdraw from the Competition after a drawn, postponed or abandoned match, notice must be given to The Association and its opponent at the end of the match.
(d) A Club failing to give satisfactory reason for withdrawing from the Competition shall in addition to any other action considered appropriate not be allowed to enter the Competition in the following season

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I think the competition rules need to be looked at.

The FA vase manages to allow next Saturday replays, and it doesn't matter what mileage is involved after the 2nd round. This was shown in the Tring Athletic Vs Biggleswade tie which was played the Saturday after yet both teams are in the same league and could have effectively played each other midweek. As it was, the replayed date was the same day they were due to face each other in the league

I believe that teams should travel no more than 150 miles round trip midweek in any round for the trophy or vase, unless mutually agreed. If leagues have to postpone games then so be it.

I appreciate the Trophy is the senior non league competition but there are still very semi pro teams in it.

The other option would be to allow teams in step 4 to either enter the trophy or vase. but I feel that would be unfair to step 5 sides. of course there is an argument that it's unfair for step 4 teams playing full time outfits as well

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Not sure what the alternative was though.  If you enter a national competition you know you could face long journeys, potentially midweek in the event of replays / postponed games.  The FA Trophy rule on postponements makes it clear what happens if a Saturday game is postponed, as below …

(c) First matches which are Postponed
(i) When a first match has been postponed, it shall be played on the same ground on or before the following Thursday.


So it couldn't be played the following Saturday, even taking aside the fact that both teams would have league games scheduled that day anyway, so the only option is midweek.  Will be interesting to see whether The FA accept their reason for withdrawal as reasonable, as otherwise they will be banned from next year's competition.

(c) If a Club decides to withdraw from the Competition after a drawn, postponed or abandoned match, notice must be given to The Association and its opponent at the end of the match.
(d) A Club failing to give satisfactory reason for withdrawing from the Competition shall in addition to any other action considered appropriate not be allowed to enter the Competition in the following season


The rules are not in dispute. It is the FA's slavish adherence to rules regardless of the circumstances that does them no credit, in my opinion.

Needham Market will regularly have league games postponed for replays, league cup fixtures and even County Cup ties so I don't see that as the biggest issue.
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Havant & Waterlooville FC (First Team) v Dover Athletic FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Middleton, Daniel
Assistant Referee: Marks, Louis
Assistant Referee: Desborough, Mike
Fourth Official: Small, Barrie

Maidenhead United FC (First Team) v Oxford City FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Quelch, Adrian
Assistant Referee: Evans, Paul
Assistant Referee: Evans, Robert
Fourth Official: Elson, Shelby

Salisbury FC (First Team) v Braintree Town FC (First Team)
F.A. Challenge Trophy    
Referee: Hughes, Steven
Assistant Referee: Begley, Michael
Assistant Referee: Ellsmore, Tom
Fourth Official: Higgs, Alastair