Author Topic: The Emirates FA Cup – Third Round Proper (Fri 4th – Thu 23rd JAN 2020) (Read 7313 times)

TheThingFromLewes · « **Reply #15 on:** Mon 06 Jan 2020 17:21 »

Quote from: JohnCoyle on Mon 06 Jan 2020 12:11

Quote from: Mackem ref on Sun 05 Jan 2020 15:13
It looks as though one of the assistants has taken ill at half time at Brammall Lane leaving Ben Toner to run the line for the second half

From the BBC site:

'Is there a qualified referee in the house?'
There was one moment of drama for the officials as United went through, with assistant referee Daniel Leach having to be substituted at half-time because of illness.
An appeal was put out over the public address system asking for any qualified match officials in the stadium to make themselves known to a steward.
Tyler Machin, watching from the stand, answered the call, making it a busy day for the teenager as he had refereed a local league match in Worksop in the morning.
Machin took over as fourth official, with Ben Toner stepping up from that role to run the line in the second half.

Plus Machin would have got his first experience of VAR in action from holding the numbers board. Start young as they say!

ajb95 · « **Reply #16 on:** Mon 06 Jan 2020 21:07 »

Taylor is letting a lot go which is making for an exciting game but Xhaka needs to be booked soon - he's had far too many bad challenges!

TheThingFromLewes · « **Reply #17 on:** Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:19 »

I thought Taylor was poor tonight... how Xhaka wasn't carded after four blatant fouls yet Klich was for his first offence.

Also, Lacazette was very lucky not to go for a kick out which VAR ruled over. Looked deliberate to me!

rustyref · « **Reply #18 on:** Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:30 »

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:19

I thought Taylor was poor tonight... how Xhaka wasn't carded after four blatant fouls yet Klich was for his first offence.

Also, Lacazette was very lucky not to go for a kick out which VAR ruled over. Looked deliberate to me!

Xhaka should have been cautioned, of that there is no doubt. Don't think there was a lot in the Lacazette kick out, if the referee had given it I don't think it would have been wrong but very difficult for VAR to say that the referee had made a clear and obvious error in going yellow. It was petulant but there wasn't a lot of force and I can't really see that it used excessive force or brutality.

Ref Fan · « **Reply #19 on:** Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:54 »

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:19

I thought Taylor was poor tonight... how Xhaka wasn't carded after four blatant fouls yet Klich was for his first offence.

Also, Lacazette was very lucky not to go for a kick out which VAR ruled over. Looked deliberate to me!

Some strong words from Hackett and Halsey too, particularly with regard to the leniency shown to Xhaka.
Also this comment from Hackett, which if true disappoints me:

"The FA and Riley are pushing him for Euro2020". Oliver should be our man at that competition"

I'm now doubtful both will go; if Riley and the FA really are pushing Taylor and not both, I don't think Oliver has much chance frankly, given Rosetti's apparent views as well.

And I'm not sure if Riley will have been impressed by Oliver using the monitor last night either, even if it was at the suggestion of the VAR.
Any further comments I'd better save for the 'Call to sack Riley over VAR' thread.

comeonyouwhites · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue 07 Jan 2020 07:37 »

I believe when an off the ball incident happens then the protocol is that the referee should/can go to the monitor . Oliver appears to be following that protocol

TheThingFromLewes · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue 07 Jan 2020 10:20 »

I don’t usually take note of the pedestrian rubbish that Hackett spews out but I have to agree with him for a change.

RCG · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue 07 Jan 2020 18:35 »

Nice to see the small clubs rewarded for their cup endeavours (not)
The 'tiny' clubs of Man Utd vs Wolves and Spurs vs Boro have been selected for TV, the 2nd of these games being the same night Tranmere host Watford (much more watchable)
In rounds 1 and 2 both BBC and BT showed some very good matches, hunting out and sometimes getting the upset. As soon as the Prem sides come in this is left behind. BT I can kind of see as they need adverts but the BBC should do better

Whistleblower · « **Reply #23 on:** Wed 08 Jan 2020 11:26 »

Quote from: rustyref on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:30

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:19
I thought Taylor was poor tonight... how Xhaka wasn't carded after four blatant fouls yet Klich was for his first offence.

Also, Lacazette was very lucky not to go for a kick out which VAR ruled over. Looked deliberate to me!

Xhaka should have been cautioned, of that there is no doubt. Don't think there was a lot in the Lacazette kick out, if the referee had given it I don't think it would have been wrong but very difficult for VAR to say that the referee had made a clear and obvious error in going yellow. It was petulant but there wasn't a lot of force and I can't really see that it used excessive force or brutality.

Henry Winter writing in yesterday's Times described Taylor's performance as unconvincing and, not for the first time, I agree with Winter's assessment of a referee. Certainly Taylor's consistency on cautioning left a lot to be desired. If Taylor goes to the Euro's instead of Oliver, in my view, it will be a miscalculation on the scale of Clive White going to the World Cup in 1982 instead of George Courtney and the time when Riley went to a Euros Final instead of Poll.

On his day Taylor is an very fine referee; trouble is he doesn't seem to be having many 'days' at the moment.

DublinRef · « **Reply #24 on:** Wed 08 Jan 2020 11:53 »

Quote from: Whistleblower on Wed 08 Jan 2020 11:26

Quote from: rustyref on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:30
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:19
I thought Taylor was poor tonight... how Xhaka wasn't carded after four blatant fouls yet Klich was for his first offence.

Also, Lacazette was very lucky not to go for a kick out which VAR ruled over. Looked deliberate to me!

Xhaka should have been cautioned, of that there is no doubt. Don't think there was a lot in the Lacazette kick out, if the referee had given it I don't think it would have been wrong but very difficult for VAR to say that the referee had made a clear and obvious error in going yellow. It was petulant but there wasn't a lot of force and I can't really see that it used excessive force or brutality.

Henry Winter writing in yesterday's Times described Taylor's performance as unconvincing and, not for the first time, I agree with Winter's assessment of a referee. Certainly Taylor's consistency on cautioning left a lot to be desired. If Taylor goes to the Euro's instead of Oliver, in my view, it will be a miscalculation on the scale of Clive White going to the World Cup in 1982 instead of George Courtney and the time when Riley went to a Euros Final instead of Poll.

On his day Taylor is an very fine referee; trouble is he doesn't seem to be having many 'days' at the moment.

This is, in my view, partially down to one of the negative aspects of VAR, its true it gives referees the reassurance that they won't (all going well) be allowed to make such a poor decision that the outcome of the game is changed. However imagine the situation that Taylor has found himself in, he has had quite a number of VAR interventions this season both domestically and in UEFA games and I think this can certainly eat away at confidence, every time a player goes down in the box or players clash off the ball and Taylor hears "hold the game Anthony we're checking that one" he must have a sense of dread inside thinking - "oh no have a I dropped a clanger here" worse still as he can't (in the PL) look at the screen he will have no idea the magnitude of his error leaving him wondering for the rest of the game "I hope it wasn't too bad". I know these are professional referees with sports psychology training but they are still human and I think Mr. Taylor's recent experience has lead to him in some ways refereeing on eggshells, the referee I saw on Monday night did not have the same confidence, conviction and authority Mr.Taylor usually displays.

Readingfan · « **Reply #25 on:** Wed 08 Jan 2020 12:11 »

Quote from: DublinRef on Wed 08 Jan 2020 11:53

Quote from: Whistleblower on Wed 08 Jan 2020 11:26
Quote from: rustyref on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:30
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:19
I thought Taylor was poor tonight... how Xhaka wasn't carded after four blatant fouls yet Klich was for his first offence.

Also, Lacazette was very lucky not to go for a kick out which VAR ruled over. Looked deliberate to me!

Xhaka should have been cautioned, of that there is no doubt. Don't think there was a lot in the Lacazette kick out, if the referee had given it I don't think it would have been wrong but very difficult for VAR to say that the referee had made a clear and obvious error in going yellow. It was petulant but there wasn't a lot of force and I can't really see that it used excessive force or brutality.

Henry Winter writing in yesterday's Times described Taylor's performance as unconvincing and, not for the first time, I agree with Winter's assessment of a referee. Certainly Taylor's consistency on cautioning left a lot to be desired. If Taylor goes to the Euro's instead of Oliver, in my view, it will be a miscalculation on the scale of Clive White going to the World Cup in 1982 instead of George Courtney and the time when Riley went to a Euros Final instead of Poll.

On his day Taylor is an very fine referee; trouble is he doesn't seem to be having many 'days' at the moment.

This is, in my view, partially down to one of the negative aspects of VAR, its true it gives referees the reassurance that they won't (all going well) be allowed to make such a poor decision that the outcome of the game is changed. However imagine the situation that Taylor has found himself in, he has had quite a number of VAR interventions this season both domestically and in UEFA games and I think this can certainly eat away at confidence, every time a player goes down in the box or players clash off the ball and Taylor hears "hold the game Anthony we're checking that one" he must have a sense of dread inside thinking - "oh no have a I dropped a clanger here" worse still as he can't (in the PL) look at the screen he will have no idea the magnitude of his error leaving him wondering for the rest of the game "I hope it wasn't too bad". I know these are professional referees with sports psychology training but they are still human and I think Mr. Taylor's recent experience has lead to him in some ways refereeing on eggshells, the referee I saw on Monday night did not have the same confidence, conviction and authority Mr.Taylor usually displays.

The thing is pretty much all of the recent VAR decisions have beenpretty straightforward ones that Taylor should have got right in real time. I can't imagine his confidence would be much higher if there was no VAR and every single one of those incorrect decisions had stood and possibly affected the outcome of the match.

I think this recent dip has illustrated one of the differences between Taylor and Oliver. I think Oliver tends to be more consistent.

aaa · « **Reply #26 on:** Wed 08 Jan 2020 13:04 »

Replays

Tue 14th Jan 2020
Blackpool FC (First Team) v Reading FC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Bond, Darren
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Wright, Peter

Coventry City FC (First Team) v Bristol Rovers FC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Backhouse, Anthony
Assistant Referee: Byrne, George
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Busby, John

Newcastle United FC (First Team) v Rochdale AFC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Scott, Graham
Assistant Referee: West, Richard
Assistant Referee: Ledger, Scott
Fourth Official: Jones, Robert
Video Assistant Referee: Bankes, Peter
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Child, Stephen

Shrewsbury Town FC (First Team) v Bristol City FC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Webb, David
Assistant Referee: Lewis, Sam
Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Fourth Official: Smith, Josh

Tottenham Hotspur (First Team) v MIDDLESBROUGH (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Pawson, Craig
Assistant Referee: Hopton, Nick
Assistant Referee: Nunn, Adam
Fourth Official: Ward, Gavin
Video Assistant Referee: Coote, David
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Hatzidakis, Constantine

Tranmere Rovers FC (First Team) v Watford FC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Harrington, Tony
Assistant Referee: Beswick, Gary
Assistant Referee: Holmes, Adrian
Fourth Official: Brooks, John Postponed

Wed 15th Jan 2020
Carlisle United (First Team) v Cardiff City FC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Handley, Darren
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Assistant Referee: Fyvie, Graeme
Fourth Official: Oldham, Scott

Manchester United FC (First Team) v Wolverhampton Wanderers FC (First Team)
FA Cup
Referee: Friend, Kevin
Assistant Referee: Davies, Neil
Assistant Referee: Bennett, Simon
Fourth Official: England, Darren
Video Assistant Referee: Hooper, Simon
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Robathan, Daniel

RCG · « **Reply #27 on:** Wed 08 Jan 2020 14:06 »

Good appointment for Tony Harrington, with 2 prem assistants

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #28 on:** Wed 08 Jan 2020 14:11 »

Quote from: Whistleblower on Wed 08 Jan 2020 11:26

Quote from: rustyref on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:30
Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 06 Jan 2020 22:19
I thought Taylor was poor tonight... how Xhaka wasn't carded after four blatant fouls yet Klich was for his first offence.

Also, Lacazette was very lucky not to go for a kick out which VAR ruled over. Looked deliberate to me!

Xhaka should have been cautioned, of that there is no doubt. Don't think there was a lot in the Lacazette kick out, if the referee had given it I don't think it would have been wrong but very difficult for VAR to say that the referee had made a clear and obvious error in going yellow. It was petulant but there wasn't a lot of force and I can't really see that it used excessive force or brutality.

Henry Winter writing in yesterday's Times described Taylor's performance as unconvincing and, not for the first time, I agree with Winter's assessment of a referee. Certainly Taylor's consistency on cautioning left a lot to be desired. If Taylor goes to the Euro's instead of Oliver, in my view, it will be a miscalculation on the scale of Clive White going to the World Cup in 1982 instead of George Courtney and the time when Riley went to a Euros Final instead of Poll.

On his day Taylor is an very fine referee; trouble is he doesn't seem to be having many 'days' at the moment.

I agree with you Whistleblower. With regard to Clive White, he was undoubtedly a fine up-and-coming referee, but I am fairly sure, 40 years on, that he attended the World Cup in 1982 (and refereed the 1982 FA Cup Final) only because people at the top knew that he would not be carrying on after the World Cup, with a guilty plea to deception spelling the end of his top-flight career in July 1982. Also, Clive was a shopkeeper (I believe) whilst George Courtney was a Headteacher and, bearing in mind that there were no fully professional referees outside of Brazil at the time, it is possible that George had to decline the opportunity to be away in Spain for a month or more before the school holidays. Such was the lot of top referees in those days.

Riley going to the Euros rather than Poll does not surprise me, and Hackett in place of Courtney at the 1988 Euros also comes to mind. It struck me at the time that Keith was getting his moment of glory (or a consolation prize) as George Courtney attended the 1986 and 1990 World Cup finals.

With fully professional refs now, I'm sure that the above would not happen today, but if it did, I would not be surprised to see Taylor at the Euros and Oliver at the World Cup finals in 2022.

Readingfan · « **Reply #29 on:** Wed 08 Jan 2020 15:21 »

A few good appointments for Harrington recently. I don't know much about him. Is he a possibility for promotion to the PL?

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