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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #105 on: Tue 14 Feb 2023 22:51 »
I'm probably a bit more relaxed about the refereeing appointment than some.

At the start of the season, I'd have envisaged Kavanagh for the EFL Cup final but he's not had enough appointments to make that viable and has only just returned.

I mentioned Coote/Hooper/Madley as being possibilities in a recent thread. In a sense, I'd say it was a bit earlier for any of them than would have been ideal but that's where we're at once you rule out those who've done it before.

I can't really comment on recent times but when Coote was an EFL referee he was good in quite a few matches that I saw and a few times not so good. I'd say there have been better referees promoted to SG1 but also worse.

In his first few seasons I'd say Coote did pretty well as a PL referee on-field - much less so as a VAR! I think he was promoted at the same time as Hooper and I'd certainly say Coote settled the quicker of the two. I wouldn't say Coote was outstanding but probably better than I expected at the time, and I'd say officials like Jones and A Madley maybe took a bit more time to settle subsequently in the PL.

It seems Hooper has improved a lot and done well in many of the higher profile games he's refereed this season. You could say that means he should get it just based on this season's form but as I say I do wonder if he'll benefit from another year or two of building up his experience. The same is probably true of A Madley, who seems to have struggled a little in some of his higher profile games this season, although I'm sure he'll be in a stronger position in the next few years.

I'd have more concerns about Bankes' appointment as VAR, who I've generally felt is one of weaker VARs in terms of when perceived mistakes occur.

For what it's worth, I think Attwell or Tierney will get the FA Cup final. I'd maybe make Attwell the slight favourite given he's still a FIFA referee.   

 
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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #106 on: Tue 14 Feb 2023 22:56 »
Well thatís surprised me so much I dropped my phone whilst reading the announcement.

Anyway, I think itís worth congratulating the team appointed.

I hope Hooper is in line for the FA Cup final now.


I would be delighted to see Hooper get the FA Cup Final but I think it most unlikely. I can't really see anyone other than Attwell and A Madley getting it and I would rate them at evens.

Of course I have forgotten Tierney who stands an equal chance with the two referees I've already mentioned.
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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #107 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 00:06 »
Dear Dear what a shocking appointment. Both the VAR official and the referee are dreadful. In all honesty I hope they have a shocker.

Hooper/ Madley deserve it far more.
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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #108 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 00:30 »
Quite surprising to see Cooteís name, as I wouldíve predicted Hooper or Madley before him, but good luck to him and his team!

Hooper has had an excellent season so can maybe feel a little disheartened, but I also think he shouldnít worry too much. He is 40 years old (if Google is correct), and I think itís safe to say he wonít become a FIFA listed referee after not making the latest list. This means he can hopefully just keep going about his business and picking up good/excellent appointments in the PL, and become someone they can rely on for some of the big games.

Of course anything can happen in football and you want to be given the finals whilst youíre in good form and as soon as possible, however based on this season, Hooper is destined for both EFL and FA Cup Final, and hopefully he can go on for many years, so he will have the chances to get finals in the future.

Also, I thought there might be an outside chance for Scott to get this game, only because Iím (perhaps wrongly) assuming he may retire at the seasonís end, although his league appointments certainly wouldnít match being given a final.

Once more, good luck to Coote.
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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #109 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 11:06 »
At a time when controversy needed to be avoided, mainstream media reporting the opposition by Newcastle fans of Cootes appointment, due to his "previous" love for Man Utd.

His previous decisions involving the two clubs along with the fact he is Manchester FA and that he has a fake photo of Old Trafford supposedly on his Facebook page doesn't help. He really shouldn't have this game in fact its a joke that he does.

With all this talk about Lee Mason being incompetent, Coote is even worse.


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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #110 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 12:57 »
At a time when controversy needed to be avoided, mainstream media reporting the opposition by Newcastle fans of Cootes appointment, due to his "previous" love for Man Utd.

His previous decisions involving the two clubs along with the fact he is Manchester FA and that he has a fake photo of Old Trafford supposedly on his Facebook page doesn't help. He really shouldn't have this game in fact its a joke that he does.

With all this talk about Lee Mason being incompetent, Coote is even worse.

From what I've heard, the fake Old Trafford picture stuff is, well, fake, in that there's no substance to it.

What controversial decisions has Coote been involved in in Manchester United and Newcastle United matches? I recall some criticism over the Chelsea V Newcastle game last season.

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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #111 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 13:25 »
At a time when controversy needed to be avoided, mainstream media reporting the opposition by Newcastle fans of Cootes appointment, due to his "previous" love for Man Utd.

His previous decisions involving the two clubs along with the fact he is Manchester FA and that he has a fake photo of Old Trafford supposedly on his Facebook page doesn't help. He really shouldn't have this game in fact its a joke that he does.

With all this talk about Lee Mason being incompetent, Coote is even worse.

From what I've heard, the fake Old Trafford picture stuff is, well, fake, in that there's no substance to it.

What controversial decisions has Coote been involved in in Manchester United and Newcastle United matches? I recall some criticism over the Chelsea V Newcastle game last season.

Yeah a penalty call and possible red card.

Iíd say it was more the VAR on the day who failed to sent Coote to the screen.

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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #112 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 13:59 »
Does anyone know the names of the actual body of folk who make this appointment as I fear for their sanity?
As others have said a complete travesty of an appointment and one can only wonder if politics once again outweighs merit and competence.

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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #113 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 14:04 »
At a time when controversy needed to be avoided, mainstream media reporting the opposition by Newcastle fans of Cootes appointment, due to his "previous" love for Man Utd.

His previous decisions involving the two clubs along with the fact he is Manchester FA and that he has a fake photo of Old Trafford supposedly on his Facebook page doesn't help. He really shouldn't have this game in fact its a joke that he does.

With all this talk about Lee Mason being incompetent, Coote is even worse.

From what I've heard, the fake Old Trafford picture stuff is, well, fake, in that there's no substance to it.

What controversial decisions has Coote been involved in in Manchester United and Newcastle United matches? I recall some criticism over the Chelsea V Newcastle game last season.

Yeah a penalty call and possible red card.

Iíd say it was more the VAR on the day who failed to sent Coote to the screen.

Also Coote needing VAR to send Sanchez off after bringing Wilson down while in on goal. Giving a soft penalty that day.

In terms of United there is the west brom game in the locdown year when he wrongly overturned his own penalty decision. Then gave United a lucky penalty. Also, I believe he VAR when Fernandes stood on Konsa and won a penalty.

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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #114 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 16:03 »
At a time when controversy needed to be avoided, mainstream media reporting the opposition by Newcastle fans of Cootes appointment, due to his "previous" love for Man Utd.

His previous decisions involving the two clubs along with the fact he is Manchester FA and that he has a fake photo of Old Trafford supposedly on his Facebook page doesn't help. He really shouldn't have this game in fact its a joke that he does.

With all this talk about Lee Mason being incompetent, Coote is even worse.

From what I've heard, the fake Old Trafford picture stuff is, well, fake, in that there's no substance to it.

What controversial decisions has Coote been involved in in Manchester United and Newcastle United matches? I recall some criticism over the Chelsea V Newcastle game last season.

Yeah a penalty call and possible red card.

Iíd say it was more the VAR on the day who failed to sent Coote to the screen.

Also Coote needing VAR to send Sanchez off after bringing Wilson down while in on goal. Giving a soft penalty that day.

In terms of United there is the west brom game in the locdown year when he wrongly overturned his own penalty decision. Then gave United a lucky penalty. Also, I believe he VAR when Fernandes stood on Konsa and won a penalty.

As I said above, I am not really convinced by Coote as a VAR - indeed I'd question his VAR appointment to Arsenal V Man City tonight more than this one I think Peter Bankes was VAR for the Man Utd V West Brom game as it happens - again, I'm not sure Bankes is one of the stronger PL VARs.

I think if you went back far enough you could find cases for most referees where they were involved in controversail decisions affecting one of the two teams in a match but I don't think there's anything substantial enough here to make me think the appointment should have been avoided in that regard. If Coote was appointed VAR to a Merseyside Derby League Cup final then I'd probably agree that wasn't the smartest move. in t

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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #115 on: Wed 15 Feb 2023 18:39 »
Well thatís surprised me so much I dropped my phone whilst reading the announcement.

Anyway, I think itís worth congratulating the team appointed.

I hope Hooper is in line for the FA Cup final now.


I would be delighted to see Hooper get the FA Cup Final but I think it most unlikely. I can't really see anyone other than Attwell and A Madley getting it and I would rate them at evens.

Of course I have forgotten Tierney who stands an equal chance with the two referees I've already mentioned.
On the basis of Coote being awarded the League Cup Final, i am thinking Tierney to get the F.A.Cup Final, personally i would have gone Hooper for the first and Attwell fir the latter.

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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #116 on: Thu 16 Feb 2023 16:08 »
Quite surprising to see Cooteís name, as I wouldíve predicted Hooper or Madley before him, but good luck to him and his team!

Hooper has had an excellent season so can maybe feel a little disheartened, but I also think he shouldnít worry too much. He is 40 years old (if Google is correct), and I think itís safe to say he wonít become a FIFA listed referee after not making the latest list. This means he can hopefully just keep going about his business and picking up good/excellent appointments in the PL, and become someone they can rely on for some of the big games.

Of course anything can happen in football and you want to be given the finals whilst youíre in good form and as soon as possible, however based on this season, Hooper is destined for both EFL and FA Cup Final, and hopefully he can go on for many years, so he will have the chances to get finals in the future.

Also, I thought there might be an outside chance for Scott to get this game, only because Iím (perhaps wrongly) assuming he may retire at the seasonís end, although his league appointments certainly wouldnít match being given a final.

Once more, good luck to Coote.

It is an interesting one about wanting to get a final as soon as possible. You certainly won't want to be way beyond your peak and of course there is always the risk of injury/major loss of form/circumstances going against you etc.

But I guess if you went back to 2014 or 2015 you'd probably say Anthony Taylor or Michael Oliver were better referees at that stage than Lee Probert/Jon Moss who refereed those finals. But I think you could say Taylor/Oliver clearly were not at their peak yet and had a lot of potential for further development and so I think it was reasonable to give them a few more years until 2017 and 2018 respectively when they both refereed their relevant cup finals well.

I certainly think that Madley has the potential for further growth as he builds up his experience and hopefully that will be true of Hooper too, especially given how much he seems to have improved over the last year or two. That's why my gut instinct is this was perhaps a year or two too early for both of them.
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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #117 on: Thu 16 Feb 2023 16:36 »
I recall a lot of adverse comment on RTR when Jon Moss was appointed to referee the 2015 FA Cup Final, but he actually had a very good game, as I witnessed for myself at Wembley. The same could be said about Rob Styles prior to the 2005 FA Cup Final which he refereed well. I tend to agree with Readingfan about Madley and Hooper and their time to come, and let's see how David Coote actually gets on with the EFL Final. I wish him and his team well.
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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #118 on: Thu 16 Feb 2023 18:19 »
Dear Dear what a shocking appointment. Both the VAR official and the referee are dreadful. In all honesty I hope they have a shocker.

Hooper/ Madley deserve it far more.

I 100% agree it is a poor appointment, but I think that wishing that someone "has a shocker" is less than kind, and unwarranted.
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Re: EFL Cup [Carabao Cup] - 2022/2023
« Reply #119 on: Fri 17 Feb 2023 23:09 »
Although it's hard to see the appointment given on merit I hope he has a very good match because if he doesn't, it will be the two Clubs and their players as well as the paying supporters who will suffer and they are not responsible for the appointment.
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