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French Police and UEFA
« on: Sun 29 May 2022 11:22 »
Appalling organisation from the French Police and UEFA. Sending 20,000 Liverpool fans down a small ally as they had blocked off most of it with police vans- causing a crush. Then locking the turnstiles for no reason and then deciding that firing tear gas because a few French gangs tried to force their way in.

During the final minutes French Riot police lined up in front of the Liverpool fans but none appeared at the Madrid end. Liverpool fans where tear gassed while leaving and attacked by French gangs while the Police watched.

Police at the fan parks where attacking people as well for no apparent reason.

The French need to sort their police out and its becoming an issue for UEFA after the Euros and Now This.

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Re: French Police and UEFA
« Reply #1 on: Sun 29 May 2022 11:45 »
Appalling organisation from the French Police and UEFA. Sending 20,000 Liverpool fans down a small ally as they had blocked off most of it with police vans- causing a crush. Then locking the turnstiles for no reason and then deciding that firing tear gas because a few French gangs tried to force their way in.

During the final minutes French Riot police lined up in front of the Liverpool fans but none appeared at the Madrid end. Liverpool fans where tear gassed while leaving and attacked by French gangs while the Police watched.

Police at the fan parks where attacking people as well for no apparent reason.

The French need to sort their police out and its becoming an issue for UEFA after the Euros and Now This.

I think we all need to be very careful in our assessment and not jump to premature conclusions her. Mobile phone footage doing the rounds clearly shows Liverpool fans without tickets climbing over barriers, dodging stewards and getting in, totally appalling; on the other hand someone from Mersey police is claiming Liverpool fans behaved impeccably. Who do we believe? I have seen reports that the French police were too heavy handed but also reports that their actions could have prevented scenes similar to Heysel and even Hillsborough.
UEFA need to sort it out I agree but for Liverpool fans to claim it was all someone elseís fault and not theirs in part would seem groundless. The evidence would suggest otherwise.
Letís keep this in perspective until all the facts are out there.
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« Reply #2 on: Sun 29 May 2022 11:49 »
Appalling organisation from the French Police and UEFA. Sending 20,000 Liverpool fans down a small ally as they had blocked off most of it with police vans- causing a crush. Then locking the turnstiles for no reason and then deciding that firing tear gas because a few French gangs tried to force their way in.

During the final minutes French Riot police lined up in front of the Liverpool fans but none appeared at the Madrid end. Liverpool fans where tear gassed while leaving and attacked by French gangs while the Police watched.

Police at the fan parks where attacking people as well for no apparent reason.

The French need to sort their police out and its becoming an issue for UEFA after the Euros and Now This.

I think we all need to be very careful in our assessment and not jump to premature conclusions her. Mobile phone footage doing the rounds clearly shows Liverpool fans without tickets climbing over barriers, dodging stewards and getting in, totally appalling; on the other hand someone from Mersey police is claiming Liverpool fans behaved impeccably. Who do we believe? I have seen reports that the French police were too heavy handed but also reports that their actions could have prevented scenes similar to Heysel and even Hillsborough.
UEFA need to sort it out I agree but for Liverpool fans to claim it was all someone elseís fault and not theirs in part would seem groundless. The evidence would suggest otherwise.
Letís keep this in perspective until all the facts are out there.

The SKY news reporter sums it up perfectly. I have been to the Stade De France and the used the entrance Liverpool fans used. The fence the are climbing over is to avoid the crush caused by the bottleneck created by French police. The fans climbing into the stadium are local french gangs- according to Sky and many other journalists and supporters. French police attacked Liverpool supporters and closed gates preventing fans with tickets getting in.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun 29 May 2022 11:55 »
Appalling organisation from the French Police and UEFA. Sending 20,000 Liverpool fans down a small ally as they had blocked off most of it with police vans- causing a crush. Then locking the turnstiles for no reason and then deciding that firing tear gas because a few French gangs tried to force their way in.

During the final minutes French Riot police lined up in front of the Liverpool fans but none appeared at the Madrid end. Liverpool fans where tear gassed while leaving and attacked by French gangs while the Police watched.

Police at the fan parks where attacking people as well for no apparent reason.

The French need to sort their police out and its becoming an issue for UEFA after the Euros and Now This.

I think we all need to be very careful in our assessment and not jump to premature conclusions her. Mobile phone footage doing the rounds clearly shows Liverpool fans without tickets climbing over barriers, dodging stewards and getting in, totally appalling; on the other hand someone from Mersey police is claiming Liverpool fans behaved impeccably. Who do we believe? I have seen reports that the French police were too heavy handed but also reports that their actions could have prevented scenes similar to Heysel and even Hillsborough.
UEFA need to sort it out I agree but for Liverpool fans to claim it was all someone elseís fault and not theirs in part would seem groundless. The evidence would suggest otherwise.
Letís keep this in perspective until all the facts are out there.

The SKY news reporter sums it up perfectly. I have been to the Stade De France and the used the entrance Liverpool fans used. The fence the are climbing over is to avoid the crush caused by the bottleneck created by French police. The fans climbing into the stadium are local french gangs- according to Sky and many other journalists and supporters. French police attacked Liverpool supporters and closed gates preventing fans with tickets getting in.

Funny how none of this seemed to happen with real madrid fans. as has been said above, the videos doing the rounds don't show liverpool fans to be totally blameless.
« Last Edit: Sun 29 May 2022 12:01 by Hertsref123 »
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« Reply #4 on: Sun 29 May 2022 12:19 »
Appalling organisation from the French Police and UEFA. Sending 20,000 Liverpool fans down a small ally as they had blocked off most of it with police vans- causing a crush. Then locking the turnstiles for no reason and then deciding that firing tear gas because a few French gangs tried to force their way in.

During the final minutes French Riot police lined up in front of the Liverpool fans but none appeared at the Madrid end. Liverpool fans where tear gassed while leaving and attacked by French gangs while the Police watched.

Police at the fan parks where attacking people as well for no apparent reason.

The French need to sort their police out and its becoming an issue for UEFA after the Euros and Now This.

I think we all need to be very careful in our assessment and not jump to premature conclusions her. Mobile phone footage doing the rounds clearly shows Liverpool fans without tickets climbing over barriers, dodging stewards and getting in, totally appalling; on the other hand someone from Mersey police is claiming Liverpool fans behaved impeccably. Who do we believe? I have seen reports that the French police were too heavy handed but also reports that their actions could have prevented scenes similar to Heysel and even Hillsborough.
UEFA need to sort it out I agree but for Liverpool fans to claim it was all someone elseís fault and not theirs in part would seem groundless. The evidence would suggest otherwise.
Letís keep this in perspective until all the facts are out there.

The SKY news reporter sums it up perfectly. I have been to the Stade De France and the used the entrance Liverpool fans used. The fence the are climbing over is to avoid the crush caused by the bottleneck created by French police. The fans climbing into the stadium are local french gangs- according to Sky and many other journalists and supporters. French police attacked Liverpool supporters and closed gates preventing fans with tickets getting in.

Funny how none of this seemed to happen with real madrid fans. as has been said above, the videos doing the rounds don't show liverpool fans to be totally blameless.

I have seen Real Madrid fans climbing into the stadium and Madrid fans complaining. The fact many of the liverpool turnstiles where closed and the French Police van was blocking most of the entrance was not an issue at the other end.

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« Reply #5 on: Sun 29 May 2022 12:32 »
Appalling organisation from the French Police and UEFA. Sending 20,000 Liverpool fans down a small ally as they had blocked off most of it with police vans- causing a crush. Then locking the turnstiles for no reason and then deciding that firing tear gas because a few French gangs tried to force their way in.

During the final minutes French Riot police lined up in front of the Liverpool fans but none appeared at the Madrid end. Liverpool fans where tear gassed while leaving and attacked by French gangs while the Police watched.

Police at the fan parks where attacking people as well for no apparent reason.

The French need to sort their police out and its becoming an issue for UEFA after the Euros and Now This.

I think we all need to be very careful in our assessment and not jump to premature conclusions her. Mobile phone footage doing the rounds clearly shows Liverpool fans without tickets climbing over barriers, dodging stewards and getting in, totally appalling; on the other hand someone from Mersey police is claiming Liverpool fans behaved impeccably. Who do we believe? I have seen reports that the French police were too heavy handed but also reports that their actions could have prevented scenes similar to Heysel and even Hillsborough.
UEFA need to sort it out I agree but for Liverpool fans to claim it was all someone elseís fault and not theirs in part would seem groundless. The evidence would suggest otherwise.
Letís keep this in perspective until all the facts are out there.

The SKY news reporter sums it up perfectly. I have been to the Stade De France and the used the entrance Liverpool fans used. The fence the are climbing over is to avoid the crush caused by the bottleneck created by French police. The fans climbing into the stadium are local french gangs- according to Sky and many other journalists and supporters. French police attacked Liverpool supporters and closed gates preventing fans with tickets getting in.

Funny how none of this seemed to happen with real madrid fans. as has been said above, the videos doing the rounds don't show liverpool fans to be totally blameless.

I have seen Real Madrid fans climbing into the stadium and Madrid fans complaining. The fact many of the liverpool turnstiles where closed and the French Police van was blocking most of the entrance was not an issue at the other end.

Fair enough if thats the case, it does seem like a lot of poor organisation was the issue as well, I'm just still not willing to render liverpool fans totally innocent.
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« Reply #6 on: Mon 30 May 2022 14:42 »
And now the French Minister is coming out with fake stats to blame all the supporters and is praising the french police and staff for their organisation. What a joke. He also comments how trouble is only with the English teams, he obviously wasn't watching St Etienne last night.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon 30 May 2022 23:01 »
And now the French Minister is coming out with fake stats to blame all the supporters and is praising the french police and staff for their organisation. What a joke. He also comments how trouble is only with the English teams, he obviously wasn't watching St Etienne last night.

And as said before one could equally argue the PM, Mersey Police and English F A blaming the French police and authorities, painting Liverpool as being whiter than white and laying no blame at the door of Liverpool fans is also a joke.
A proper investigation is needed but all I would add is that, once again as in previous incidents, it never seems to be Liverpools fault, always everyone elseís.
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« Reply #8 on: Tue 31 May 2022 17:39 »
Almost certainly there will have been faults on all sides, but so much claim and counterclaim does not help clarify the situation.  Hopefully the independent investigation will be just that, independent.

Which said it does seem in poor taste for Liverpool to arrange a bus top celebratory tour on the anniversary of the Heysel disaster.
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« Reply #9 on: Wed 01 Jun 2022 18:01 »
There's no smoke without fire, and absolutely no doubt that there were lots of Liverpool fans there without tickets.  There's also a video of Liverpool fans mounting a violent and totally unprovoked attack on a Madrid supporter.  I don't understand why clubs encourage ticketless fans to travel, it is asking for trouble.

No doubt the French authorities made a mess of it as well, as almost always in these things multiple parties are at fault. 

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« Reply #10 on: Wed 01 Jun 2022 18:09 »
I disagree with the fact about ticketless fans travelling to the City is bad. There was no trouble whatsoever involving Liverpool supporters at any of the 3 previous European cup finals they went to. Also no issues at all in away European games. Yet they come out saying Liverpool fans have a bad reputation.

Yes their probably where liverpool fans trying to get into the ground without tickets but also there where Madrid fans and locals trying to get in.

There's also a video of Liverpool fans mounting a violent and totally unprovoked attack on a Madrid supporter. 

If we are talking about the same incident you can see him for a start being in the Liverpool fan zone and secondly doing a Nazi solute.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed 01 Jun 2022 18:20 »
I disagree with the fact about ticketless fans travelling to the City is bad. There was no trouble whatsoever involving Liverpool supporters at any of the 3 previous European cup finals they went to. Also no issues at all in away European games. Yet they come out saying Liverpool fans have a bad reputation.

Yes their probably where liverpool fans trying to get into the ground without tickets but also there where Madrid fans and locals trying to get in.

There's also a video of Liverpool fans mounting a violent and totally unprovoked attack on a Madrid supporter. 

If we are talking about the same incident you can see him for a start being in the Liverpool fan zone and secondly doing a Nazi solute.

Not quite true remember in athens 2007, where yet again thousands of liverpool fans turned up with no tickets, causing similar scenes to what we saw last week. 

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« Reply #12 on: Wed 01 Jun 2022 19:58 »
I disagree with the fact about ticketless fans travelling to the City is bad. There was no trouble whatsoever involving Liverpool supporters at any of the 3 previous European cup finals they went to. Also no issues at all in away European games. Yet they come out saying Liverpool fans have a bad reputation.

Yes their probably where liverpool fans trying to get into the ground without tickets but also there where Madrid fans and locals trying to get in.

There's also a video of Liverpool fans mounting a violent and totally unprovoked attack on a Madrid supporter. 

If we are talking about the same incident you can see him for a start being in the Liverpool fan zone and secondly doing a Nazi solute.

Not quite true remember in athens 2007, where yet again thousands of liverpool fans turned up with no tickets, causing similar scenes to what we saw last week.

There is no evidence of it happening last week though. Athens there was.

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« Reply #13 on: Thu 02 Jun 2022 11:37 »
My Uncle and Cousin were at the game and joined the queue 150 minutes before they were supposed to arrive, as were 2 of my friends. They claim (with photgraphic proof) that local Parisien gangs turned up (some with knives stuffed down their trousers) - some in Liverpool tops over a PSG shirt - with counterfeit tickets (just with a QR code). They then jumped the queue, and tried to scan their fake ticket. This created a lot of issues as 1. they aren't genuine Liverpool fans (accent, clothing); 2. they held up the queue; 3. they then tried to force their way in causing further delays, and a response from the French policing. When my cousin and Uncle got in 15 minutes after KO, they found the 3 French lads in the stadium, sat in someone else's seat!

Yes, whilst Liverpool fans are no sinners, the whole thing was down to poor stewarding and heavy handed policing, who had no idea how to run an event. They then decided to start spraying fans with tear gas, which is totally unacceptable. The Police should have been moving these fans to one side and trying to worm out the fake ticketers and gang members jumping the queue. From experience though, this is typical behaviour from the French Police, and the administrators of both the Stade de France and the ticketing company need a full enquiry.
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« Reply #14 on: Sat 04 Jun 2022 11:15 »
There was more trouble getting everyone into the stadium last night for France vs Denmark with thousands of fans left outside the stadium. The design of the stadium really is poor as is the organisation of the French authorities. Many people reported that the turnstiles where not working again.